Which is worse, forced pregnancy, or forced abortion?

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  1. Anders Hoveland

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    Choicers complain about how awful pregnancy is, but let me ask a hypothetical question.
    Which would be worse, forcing the woman to go through with her pregnancy, or forcing the woman to get an abortion?
    Let's just make this simple and ignore the fetus here. Which would be worse for the woman ? Would it be more traumatizing for the woman to be forced to endure her pregnancy, or to be assaulted and have her child ripped out from her body? Surely the grief of having her child taken from her would be far worse than an unwanted pregnancy.

    Many pro-choicers in this forum go on and on about how abortion is not really that bad, just a simple little medical procedure, and then make a big deal about how arduous a pregnancy is. So let me ask you pro-choicers, if that is really the case, then wouldn't forcing the woman to get an abortion still save her from all that hard work and strain on her body? It might not be respecting her wishes, but wouldn't it actually be for her best interests, according to you?

    I believe pro-choicers know that forced abortion would be far worse, but I doubt any of them will admit it.
    All I am asking you to do is to be honest with yourself. It's obvious to anyone that forced abortion would be worse.
    But then you have to ask yourself WHY— why abortion is worse than pregnancy?!? (either way, it is being done against the woman's will, so that shouldn't really matter here)

    Could it be because the fetus does have some inherent value after all, however small ?
    Sure, it's easy to convince yourself that your fetus is just a clump of cells when you are going to get an abortion, but what about when you are not getting an abortion?

    For a mother not getting an abortion, her unborn baby is the most important thing to her in the world. Are her feelings real and justified, or is it all just a bunch of hormones tricking her?
     
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    I consider it a mental illness to dwell on forcing women to do anything .


    It's wrong to force them to give birth and wrong to force them to have an abortion... as Anti-Choice/Anti-Women people do...they seem to love "force".
     
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    The thing is, Pro choice people aren't keen on forcing a choice on anyone, that's what the Pro lifers do.
     
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    Here is something really radical for you .. why force a women to do either, why not let it be her choice.
    The only people who advocate forcing are the pro-life people.
     
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    Ya know that soon some hysterical Screaming Meemie will be here swearing that forced abortions are rampant....and they will never understand that "forcing" is just plain wrong whether it's to have an abortion or to have a kid.
     
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    Pro-choicers want to force their babies/fetuses to be aborted. They want to force the father to watch helplessly as his own child is killed. Seems like choicers are the ones who love to "force". In fact, the baby is the only one here who never had any choice in the matter.

    Because women are abusing the choice. Not just some of the time, but MOST of the time.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/abortion/289679-women-who-get-abortions-over-over-again.html
    http://www.politicalforum.com/abortion/266663-late-term-abortions-real-reasons-they-performed.html
     
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    And, as usual, you have no proof whatsoever of your allegations....
     
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    According to you, it's all just about the woman's choice; the fetus doesn't even matter.

    But the ironic thing is that when feminists have completely suceeded in trivializing abortion, there will not be much left standing in the way of forced abortions. The only factor left will be personal choice, and we all know how little respect progressives have for individual choice. This is clearly evident in communist China, where thousands of women have been forced to have abortions.


    You mean like the health care mandate? The light bulb efficiency mandate which will ban a whole technology? Forcing people to buy shower facets that don't give off enough water? High taxes so the government can decide how your money should be spent for you? I could go on and on...

    I don't believe for a second that pro-choicers are all just a bunch of Libertarians!
     
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    Communist China is progressive! That'd be a shock to them....


    Where do YOU, as an Anti-Choicer stand on "personal choice"

    Answer: Take it away from women.
     
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    It's already been taken away from women. Child abuse is illegal, isn't it? Do you want to repeal those protections?
     
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    No, women have a choice (HAHA) to have an abortion or not....crimes like child abuse are off topic.
     
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    Where do you get off ASKING questions when you refuse to ANSWER any???
     
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    Sounded like a malevolent laugh to me. You know that abortion is wrong, you just don't care.
    Some women would do anything to get un-pregnant. :roll:
     
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    They would. Many women have risked their lives and even died trying to get 'un-pregnant' as you put it.
     
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    So abortion is not just a harmless little medical procedure?

    Many people risked their lives to fight for the nazis too. Does that mean they were risking their life for a good cause?
     
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    When it is illegal it is much more dangerous and in ancient times when they didn't have proper medical procedures most definitely. Even now there is still a chance to die from a legal abortion, it is a small risk though. I believe recently there was a news article regarding a woman who died from hemorrhaging after an abortion. There is always a chance to die or become injured due to pregnancy, childbirth and abortion. It is up to the woman which risks she wants to face though.

    I don't know how red herring tastes and I am not about to find out now. :)
     
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    Who forced them to sleep with a man?
     
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    How is the way she conceived the fetus relevant to the issue? If it was rape or consensual sex what does it matter? You want to save all fetuses lives right? Or does a fetus conceived of rape has less value than one conceived via consensual sex?
     
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    All fetuses are equal and have a constitutional right to life.

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    All fetuses are equal and have a constitutional right to life.
     
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    Then why bring up the matter of how it was conceived?
     
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    Mostly just a myth. "Back alley" abortions were still done in clinic settings with qualified doctors. Many of these doctors had had their medical licenses revoked for other reasons, and had turned to doing (illegal) abortions as their only option left in the medical field. Besides, when it was illegal there were far fewer abortions. I bet the total number of abortion deaths (for the women, at least :wink: ) were much lower before Roe vs. Wade.
     
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    Both alternatives are anti choice.

    Both are equally bad.

    Individual choice is good, government force is bad. It's really that simple.

    Would you rather the government force you to marry whoever it picks, or that it prohibit you from marrying at all?
     
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    Probably nobody, it was their CHOICE.......what has that got to do with abortion?

    Answer: Nothing
     
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    Source?

    And please, spare us with the lifenews and other religious based websites.
     

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