The same can clearly be said of your side, yet here you are constantly shrieking, "hyporcites!!!" at us, yet never at those who supposedly hold the same position as you. Shouldn't you point out hypocrisy wherever you see it or do you only reserve that judgment for those of us that you despise so much?
Oh sorry I hadn't realised that you were now the owner of this forum and could tell people where and how they should comment .. never mind.
You made fun of the thread....and yet you always stick around to put your two cents in....that is what I meant. - - - Updated - - - I do point it out...and I said I disagreed with anyone that believed in abortion for rape and incest. At least he is not for abortion across the table...like you people do. You won't say anything to those who think late term abortion should be legal. Why?
How did I make fun of the thread, I posted my opinion of the poll put forward, just as you post your opinion on every other thread. As to me sticking around I haven't actually commented on the OP apart from my first response, it is you I am responding to and your continually stalking of my comments in order to reply.
Yes, many posters have responded to the OP on that subject....but why should you even mention him? He didn't have an abortion so you don't care about his position , remember?
I have made my position very clear on late term abortion, and by late term I personally mean post 21 weeks, the fact that no other pro-choice person has decided to engage me on my position doesn't mean they agree with me, it simply means they respect my,position .. unlike you that attack anyone (apart from other pro-lifers that is) who doesn't adhere to your position. There are pro-choicers here whose positions I don't universally agree with, but I respect their opinion .. unlike you.
A lot of people aren't for abortion across the table, including those who are considered pro-choice but who disagree with third trimester abortions, instead of patting them on the back for that position you continue to vilify them. Because I am in favor of having no laws on abortion whatsoever, that's why.
I'd rather be molested, because I'd have a chance at life. - - - Updated - - - They hate a chance at life then, and suicide is a a less gruesome means of death than abortion. So that is the better alternative of course. - - - Updated - - - Pain is the feeling of weakness leaving the body.
Victim blaming nonsense. That certainly depends on just how the person chooses to commit suicide. Also from what I understand so far there is absolutely no Scientific consensus that fetuses can feel pain.
Yeah - I'd rather autistic children die and never experience the pain of knowing they're mentally disabled, and possibly being bullied, etc - let's round them up and toss them in a gas chamber - they're unworthy of life. Proof that liberals and left-wing atheists have no respect for life. - - - Updated - - - It's better to have a chance at life - heck even if you want to kill yourself it's still better that you had the opportunity to do so, then that someone else made the decision for you. That certainly depends on just how the person chooses to commit suicide. So killing someone when they can't feel it makes it less of a murder.
It certainly is when we take people off of life support which is essentially the same with a fetus, taking it off the life support system of the woman.
Personally I have as much respect for life as you do .. I just don't see it as my place or a governments place to enforce their will onto others, and before you go down the road of saying its forcing will onto the unborn, firstly you have to show that the unborn have any concept of "will", you cannot remove something one has never known about from someone, nor can you show any medical evidence to support that a zygote or early term fetus is an independent sentient person. Your "proof" is only you projecting your opinions (wrongly) onto others. Do you have children? do you make decisions for them? if yes, then you become the someone else making the decision for them. Murder is against the law, abortion is legal and so is not against the law .. it is not, nor can it be, murder.
The results of the poll are in. Well, it looks like a consensus has been reached: Abortion is just as bad as molestation! I wonder how choicers would feel about a woman being lawfully allowed to sexually molest her baby in the womb, if that were even possible. Or what about getting one of her male sexual partners to penetrate her so far it would go into the baby? (hypothetically) Would this be okay too because it's all the woman's choice, and she should be allowed to do whatever she wants to her fetus?!?
Well considering it is crammed up inside her vagina I guess she is sexually molesting it 24/7 and especially when it comes out of the vagina. You're such a weirdo Anders. Pregnant women have sex all the time, I have never heard of the penis getting past the cervix before without using painful and dangerous force though. You really have quite the vivid and sick imagination though Anders, I will give you that. Where do you come up with this stuff?
Seeing the choices listed, the both seem ridiculous. It puts forth the "I must choose between two evils" and negating the other wide world of possibilities, not only of evil, but good as well. The negativity of some left wingers is staggering.
One of my friends showed me a sick porno one time of a man who managed to stick his entire big bald head inside a woman's vagina. I am not sure how this managed to happen, my best guess is the woman had just previously given birth and her cervix was very loose and dilated. It is not normally the type of thing I watch, and when my friend first started playing the video, I immediately was about to leave the room, but my friend begged me to come back and see the unbelievable feat caught on film. I would imagine that if a big bald head can fit up there, an especially long penis probably could make it past the cervix too. I am just saying it is not completely beyond the realm of possibility.
Personally, I would prefer to never have experienced such a disgusting and deprived example of humanity. As there is no possible way for me to experience anything remotely close to this in the womb, and the prerequisite for experience (a developed brain) does not exist....I choose to be mercifully saved from such a thing. Not that I would have the ability to choose due to my lack of conscious thought.
Would you really need a fully developed brain to experience it? After all, infants do not have fully developed brains, and only remember early experiences in bits and pieces, yet their memories are still stored in their subconcious. Even animals can suffer. And unborn babies are conscious, at least after the 21st week. This is exactly what abortion of healthy normal fetuses is, that is why I made the comparison in the OP.
I well understand why you made the comparison....actually rather clear. And yes, you would require at least some level of brain developments beyond what is there to experience anything we might refer to as sensation. ✩Week 20: Nerve cells at this stage are making complex connections and sensory perception with the brain and the entire body. This development carries on until the age of 5 or 6. ✩Week 21: Rapid growth and development of the fetus slows down in this week. The organs, especially the heart is getting stronger, and fat is getting accumulated in the baby's muscles. ✩Week 22: As the brain is understanding complex sensory perceptions, the fetus becomes capable of distinguishing between different sounds. ✩Week 23: All the nerve cells that so far had formed and developed independently, begin to join to form a complete nervous system. ✩Week 24: At this stage, the brain starts to regulate all body functions, and activates the auditory and visual systems, which heightens the baby's overall senses. ✩Week 25: The spinal cord begins to harden and straighten out. Nervous system is more developed and capable of controlling voluntary breathing. The optic nerve is highly heightened in perceiving light from any direction. ✩Week 26: So far the brain was smooth in its form, but at this stage its tissues begin to develop creased, wave-like formations. The brain waves also get stronger at this stage enhancing auditory and visual sensors. ✩Week 27: As the brain is actively processing many senses, it is quite possible that your unborn will begin to dream. Brain tissues are also developing fast. ✩Week 28: The brain is completely monitoring the breathing and regulating body temperature. It continues to develop creases and fissures. This being the beginning of the third trimester, a blood glucose screening is done to determine gestational diabetes. ✩Week 29-40: The third trimester stage sees that the brain continues to grow and increase rapidly in size, all the while establishing connections between nerve cells. The brain along with the lung is the last organ to develop, and the process is completed, close to the end of the third trimester. A newborn's brain is only about one-quarter the size of an adult's. Thus...I would prefer no experience to what you described.
Agreed .. its just a way for Anders to get his sexual frustrations and fantasies of his mind for a while.
