Which of these women should not have an abortion

and even if true, it has no relevance anyway.

 

The authorities probably assume that she gave birth and then killed the newborn (since she had no training to perform an abortion). Indiana requires that an abortion must be performed by a fully licensed doctor. Killing a newborn would be murder because the birth process has profound effects on the fetus, primarily the effect of activating the brain.

What is your position on punishment for abortion (if pro-lifers ever succeeded in making abortion illegal)? Do you really think it is murder? If so, do you believe a woman soliciting an abortion should get the death penalty or life in prison?

 

I was saying you have to pay.

 

First off guns are used to save lives and second. Ask any mother if they had the choice would they abort their children already born and they'll say no. If its truly the case that they can't afford a child then put it up for adoption.

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I'm saying you should pay for the abortion. Just to be clear I am for charity organizations to support mothers with children with abnormallies.

 

Show me where women are aborting in the 9th month en masse when there are no maternal or fetal complications.

 

Looking at the poll....you see where the hard-core anti-choicers come down "None of the Above"


and NONE of them chose

"Woman who has just been diagnosed with a disorder where pregnancy could end her life."


Which basically means they are saying that "pro-lifers" are LYING when they say they would support the right to abortion if the woman's life was threatened by the pregnancy.

They would want the woman to die...rather than be able to have an abortion. Which again, harkens back to the basic premise I made weeks ago that...

A LOT of "Pro-lifers" (especially the ardent ones, especially the male ones)....think of women as "baby making machines" or "animals"....easily disposed of as long as they do "what they're made for"...i.e. "making babies."

 

Which makes no sense, but that's SSDD......

 

He can't..... he'll just come back and tell you you're upset...and mention a posterior...

 

I just picked the ultra-rare cases where the pregnancy could (or really likely) to cause the death of the mother. All the rest can go to any large Christian Church and get help placing the unwanted kid. Most hospitals will take the unwanted kid from the unfit mom that can't or won't take care of it.

The best advice is to wait until you are part of a stable marriage (not the LGBT ones) before having kids.

 

I responded to a rather stupid claim. One easily disproved.

I have stated what I believe. That a viable fetus should be birthed not killed. Since there are no laws accomodating my opinion what use is a discussion of an appropriate response to breaking a law that doesn't exist.

Try again.

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Show me where it doesn't.

 

I asked first.

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Adoption is wrong. I would never place a child. Ever. If I get pregnant, I will either parent or abort. Most likely the latter.

 

I hope you abort your unborn child before they become a real human being----whenever you believe that happens.

 

I think it is safe to say none of us believe the current law is correct. You, for example, believe that nobody should be permitted to abort a potentially viable fetus. I, for example, believe that it is impossible to abort an actual person because no actual person exists until the brain is activated (which happens at birth). Roe vs Wade was decided before science understood how much work still has to be done in the developing brain before the first actual thought is possible.

So (since we all assume the current law is wrong) what is your position on punishment for abortion (if pro-lifers ever succeeded in making abortion illegal)? Do you believe a woman soliciting an abortion should get the death penalty, or life in prison, or do you realize that abortion really is NOT murder?

 

Doesn't what ?

She posted Quote Originally Posted by Zeffy View Post

Show me where women are aborting in the 9th month en masse when there are no maternal or fetal complications."""


YOU made the claim, you should show proof...and could show proof if you're being honest ...




You: """That a viable fetus should be birthed not killed. Since there are no laws accomodating my opinion what use is a discussion of an appropriate response to breaking a law that doesn't exist."""

You have been shown proof that there are laws concerning late term abortions, you just can't face facts and choose to ignore them.


And you are doing what so many Anti-Choicers do, avoiding the punishment part of illegal abortions...you aren't alone




...and what was the "stupid claim" that you "easily disproved"

 

Please post any link to a post where i said anything remotely akin to "potentially" and where specified anything other than "late term" and "viable" as the qualifications?

Dishonesty is not useful in these discussions and renders your opinions here essentially worthless.

 

Earlier I asked you for your opinion and you declined... so I took a guess. I'd be happy to allow you to post your opinion in your own words. I got the "potentially" from your claim of viability and my observation that most people basing the decision on viability are basing it on the earlier POSSIBLE viability (around week 21 or 22) instead of actual viability for each specific case... that's what makes a 22 week old fetus "potentially viable."

Do you believe a woman soliciting an abortion should get the death penalty, or life in prison, or do you realize that abortion really is NOT murder?

(by the way this is the third time I've asked you that question and you keep dodging it.)

 

REEEEALLLLLYYYYYY?

I made the claim that "women are aborting in the 9th month en masse when there are no maternal or fetal complications."

I made that claim?

I guess that makes one of us a liar. Perhaps you could prove it is me by posting a link where I made that claim. Of course if you can't prove it's me then it must be...someone else involved in this post.

Dishonesty does not validate your arguments.

Seems the only valid part of your argument is the response at the end.

 

Oh, so you don't think it's a problem? Good, because it isn't.

And I'll post he rest of my post that you quoted to show there was much more you "missed".


""""""""You: """That a viable fetus should be birthed not killed. Since there are no laws accomodating my opinion what use is a discussion of an appropriate response to breaking a law that doesn't exist."""

You have been shown proof that there are laws concerning late term abortions, you just can't face facts and choose to ignore them.


And you are doing what so many Anti-Choicers do, avoiding the punishment part of illegal abortions...you aren't alone




...and what was the "stupid claim" that you "easily disproved"

 

Don't respond to lies. Gave you a chance to correct the lie but you, we wall know what you do.

 

I will abort whenever *I* choose, your POV will not factor into it at all.

 

You don't respond to facts either, how convenient for you.

Who is "we"? You don't speak for anyone but yourself and anything else is totally dishonest.


There is no lie in the following but you still have a really hard time with it :

""""""""You: """That a viable fetus should be birthed not killed. Since there are no laws accomodating my opinion what use is a discussion of an appropriate response to breaking a law that doesn't exist."""

You have been shown proof that there are laws concerning late term abortions, you just can't face facts and choose to ignore them.


And you are doing what so many Anti-Choicers do, avoiding the punishment part of illegal abortions...you aren't alone




...and what was the "stupid claim" that you "easily disproved"?"""""""""