Which political group do you consider yourself closest to?

Which group politically aligns closest to your political belief?

 

I am a Democrat, but I have no sympathy for black ghetto rioters, Hamas, Hamas supporters, and haters of Jews and Israel. .

 

Are you kidding?

Usually both sides are pro war.

In the Gulf of Tonkin resolution to turn
an incident where one bullet got stuck in
the USS Maddox into a war -

- in Senate 88 voted for war and 2 against, and
in the House 416 members of the House voted for war,
zero against, so both parties in the House
voted the same.

As close to unanimously in favor of the Vietnam
War as makes no difference.

More recently for the War in Afghanistan
Both parties in Senate voted for war
and in the House only one person voted
against,

Is there really a difference between the parties?

 

I marked Republican. I agree with Republicans who support capitalism and smaller government, but most of them are all talk and no action. A lot of my support comes from the fact that the Democrats have gone far left crazy. The Squad and Bernie Sanders have way too much influence. Bidet’s border policy makes me very angry.

I don’t like Trump, but if the other choice is Biden, Trump will be the lesser of two very disappointing evils.

 

Is there really a difference between the parties? In ideologies yes, in practice no.

 

MAGA is safe for me. The Established politicians who have gotten rich being political transcends both parties. Especially in the Senate. I want term limits but it will be hard for those self-invested bast&*(% to ever vote for it.

 

I'm UK. Which one is just Conservative?

 

Harold Macmillan. And as a bonus he played a key role in cooling down the Cuban missile crisis.

 

In the list of poll choices, I can't see Harold McMillan

 

He might be there under Independent Right Leaning

 

What is classed as plain conservative in the US. Does anyone here know?

 

What does war have to do with the thread?

 

Republican. Traditionally.
But there's really no conservative party in USA anymore.

 

If Nigel Farage stayed in politics, he would get my vote, but come voting day, his spine would go and U-turn and blurt crap. He just used to go into a meltdown mode.

The Tories in the UK are crap, but Labour are utterly dreadful. So I keep voting for the least crap party.

But anyhow, if I lived in America, I would vote conservative, so that means Republican. I couldn't vote Democrat due to their policies.

 

The R party in USA turned cowards.
They let the MAGA nut case loser who wants to end democratic processes dictate the party.
He lost in 2020 and can't let it go.

MAGA has destroyed the R party. And the cowards let him do it.

 

You don’t have our equivalent of the Greens.

Basically though I am so far left of your centre half the members here can’t find me with the Hubble Telescope!

 

The Republican party as it existed before MAGA deserved to be destroyed. When push comes to shove with Democrats the establishment Republicans always respond with a little bow, a tip of the hat, and a "yessum massa." Trump taught them how to fight back and the squeals from the left came fast and hard. Too bad donkeys, get used to it.

 

Gun rights, minimal govt, anticorporate, less military, more freedom, more self determinism, more voluntarism.

So I guess Libertarian Right? Maybe more like libertarian right...

 

More narratives.

One has to wonder how Trump would be viewed if I could wave a magic wand and get rid of all the fake nonsense that surrounds him and his image.

Trump didn't change the Republicans, their voters did. They loved Trump more than the Republican party, because politics is entertainment and Trump delivered the red meat to his audience. He turned politics into a spectacle, and folks were so enthralled they never noticed or cared that what he was really doing was retooling everything to be solely about him. About the only thing that Trump was actually good at, even if unwittingly, was getting the Democrats to try and beat him at his own game.

When you have a man likeTrump, your first inclination is to come at him the same way he comes at you. But that is a mistake because that only brings you down to his level, and he's better at being him than anybody else is. You're not going to beat Trump at his own game, which is really just acting immaturely like a walking talking internet comment section and then leaning back, holding your arms up, and letting all the "likes" come flooding in from the folks who think politics is just another TV show.

The way you deal with Trump is the way you deal with every 7 year old brat. When they want attention, you ignore them. Attention is the driving factor for every action Trump takes. If the Democrats had just pretended like Trump was not there, he would have gone off the deep end far sooner than he did(it took losing the election to unhinge him).

 

I would never call the MAGA Republicans cowards. They are very misguided. They have come to believe that bluster, stubbornness and egotism is a substitute for intelligence and effective leadership.

Getting PO’d at the Republican leadership is understandable. George W. Bush, John McCain and Mitt Romney failed us. Mitch McConnel is an old codger who needs to retire, but he’s too selfish and bullheaded to understand that he’s too old. He is determined to die in the saddle and take the party with him.

There are many young Republicans who could do great things, but the old farts who are near to or past 80 years old won’t let them do it. And before you accuse me ageism, I am 74.

 

I consider myself a swing voter who votes for who I think is the candidate best suited for the job for whatever office they’re running for regardless of party or political ideology. Both major parties disgust me, they’re filled with nothing but ideologues these days who only govern for their party’s base, not for all of America. I look for pragmatists who can come up with practical and common-sense solutions to our problems. Not candidates who stand for pushing or even forcing their ideology on all the rest of use whether we want it or not. I have no problem or qualms voting for third party candidates when I dislike and don’t want neither major party candidate for whatever office they’re running for.


So swing voter, non-ideological, non-affiliated, non-partisan probably is the best way to describe me. I believe there’s a middle ground, a practical solution to all of our problems but the ideologues in both major parties have no interest in common-sense, practicable solutions as that would require compromise, coming off their ideological high horse of all or nothing, my way or the highway approach which most of both major parties are totally against and won't never, ever do.

 

The last conservative president was Gerald Ford. Ronald Reagan introduced Republicans to the dogma that balanced budgets do not matter as long as taxes are cut for the rich and military spending increases.

 

Hogwash.
The system is set up to operate under compromise. That's why there's the 2 party system and 3 branches of gov't.
That's why it is set up to be hard to get things done.

It's about give and take. The win win scenarios is when bipartisanship works.
Neither side gets all of what they want, progress is moving forward, and the political extremes on both sides whine.

What likely happened is those who vote R wanted the party to be more extreme.
That is MAGA. Anti democracy. And likely anti America. MAGA is a farce in terms of being pro America. At least an America for all.

 

You're a "Conservative"? In Great Britain...?! Being anything other than a government-dependent Socialist anywhere in all of Western Europe must be very lonely indeed! You have my sympathies....

 

I think the only real conservative President in recent history was Calvin Coolidge.