Who are the REAL terrorists - the Gaza fence

there are lots of photos of Hamas firing rockets at Israel while kids watch, close by

 

This is what you said

and coming after Dutch had put in a film which was not of Palestinians which was suggesting that Palestinian parents deliberately gave their children to be held next to where the rocket was being set off with the deliberate intention of having their children killed. There is no, absolutely no worse dehumanisation of a people than that.

You do not claim that children are near where rockets could go off which of course could happen when you have one of the worlds top armies fighting people fighting guerilla warfare, which is always in the streets. You show me proof of what you said that Palestinians and by that Palestinian parents put their children near rocket launchers. I had hoped you were simply agreeing with Dutch to make another point but now it appears that like him you are dehumanising the Palestinians in a way to support genocide so Ronstar you provide for me proof that Palestinian parents, as you said put their kids near rocket launchers' which clearly is a deliberate intention to have their kids killed.

 

it is a war crime for Hamas to fire rockets at Israel from within densely populated areas or near civilians.

 

Provide proof of what you said that Palestinians put their children near rocket launchers.

 

you're splitting hairs

 

I am in no way splitting hairs. Your claim which you said earlier you had plenty of proof of was that Palestinians put their children near rocket launchers. This is not about children being near rocket launchers, it is about the deliberate intention to have children killed and coming right after a fake video of Palestinians being held near a rocket launch would appear to be supportive of what was not true being true. You confirmed that this was so so provide proof that Palestinians are sub human beings who as you said PUT their children near rocket launchers - clearly with the intention of having their children killed.

 

your words, not mine

 

Can you explain what other explanations there can be for PUTTING children next to rocket launchers when the argument is that Israel sends bombs/drones etc to where rockets are set off? There is none. You were given the chance to change your position but you said you had proof of this. Now provide proof that Palestinians PUT their children by rocket launchers - the only possible reason for so doing would be to have their children killed. For the time being just provide proof that they do it if you are denying what you clearly were saying or have the decency to admit what you said was not true.

Dutch had provided the film of what he claimed were Palestinian children indeed being held near a rocket launch, set up to be killed.

 

Palestinian Muslims sanctify death.
And Jihad..
And terror ..
And the filth dead guy in my profile's photo

 

These clearly are not pictures of children being put next to rocket launchers as you claimed. There is also nothing on these photos to suggest they are taken in Gaza. There is also nothing in these photos to even make it clear what these kid are doing playing with them. What is clear is that they have nothing to do with 'putting' children next to rocket launchers. Please provide proof of what you claimed which was that Palestinians put there children next to rocket launchers something which you wrote after Dutch had put up a video claiming it was in Gaza which it was not, to illustrate how much the parents of Gaza hate their children as they were giving them up to be put by rocket launchers in order to be killed. Provide proof that is true or admit what you claimed, that is that Palestinians put their children next to rocket launchers is not true. I seriously in the beginning did not believe that you in any way thought the same as Dutch but your continued insistence that this is true illustrates otherwise and these photos prove absolutely nothing given that there is nothing to show where they are from or why the kids are playing in them and they most certainly do not prove that Palestinians put their children next to rocket launchers which I believe is the worst dehumanisation of the Palestinians I have seen and one that would suggest a dehumanisation to support genocide.

 

How about this? Some people are so committed to their national ideal, that they are willing to risk their children's lives by their actions.

This applies to almost everyone: to the people of Gaza who, in their majority, keep Hamas in power instead of the (corrupt) Palestinian Authority; to the ultra-religious Zionist settlers who choose to bring up their children surrounded by people who want to kill them; and to the British people who chose to endure the Blitz rather than do a deal with Hitler.

And I'll bet that if you're reading this, there is at least one of those groups that provokes your admiration.

 

This is wrong on several levels.

First, knowingly endangering own innocent civilians shouldn't be a viable option for any government in the world. If the government can't protect its own people, it should step down and let more able politicians find means to shelter civilians during conflicts.

Second, Gaza is not that densely populated. There's plenty of uninhabited space.

Third, even if such a situation occurs when Hamas have no choice but to launch from residential areas, they could build shelters for residents of those areas. Sderot civilians have exactly 15 seconds to enter shelters before the rockets fall, 15 precious seconds to save lives. If it works for the people of Sderot in 15 seconds, it should work for residents of Gaza too provided there are shelters to run to.

 

No I don't go along with that. Only a maniac deliberately risks their children's lives and only a sub human would deliberately choose to put their children in a situation with the intent of having them killed which is where this began - killed just so they could say to the world Israel killed them. Not going to happen except by either a sub human or a person out of their mind and does not happen by the Parents of the children of Gaza as was said.

 

Does anyone really think Israelis like to waste expensive ammunition on mere nonthreatening walls?

Talk about logic...

 

The pictures Ronstar posted are from the video made by France24 English team in Gaza, video I posted earlier.

While I don't believe that most Palestinian parents would put their children near launch sites, it's quite clear that Hamas is bringing the launch sites as close as possible to children. Otherwise there would be at least some improvised barriers around the launch site, signs telling civilians not to approach, some guards shooing children away, or at least a damn loudspeaker warning people.

There were, and still are, human cultures in which sacrificing children is sometimes seen as the right thing to do, so no, claiming that Palestinians would do that is not dehumanizing. Humans do that, you know.

 

You forget honor killings. You know, that little ritual intended to make a stain on the family's honor disappear by violently killing the family member responsible for the stain. Close family members do the killing - usually fathers and brothers.

 

You always like to use the opportunity of discussing of something re the Palestinians to stigmatise them don't you Pisa unless it is so ridiculous as football rioters being Muslims. That is not what was being spoken about and you know it. The claim was that parents in Gaza were lining their children up when rockets were being launched in order to get them killed.

Honour killings need another thread. I forgot nothing. Take your hate somewhere else.

 

Israel is a war zone since it was established.
In civilized countries the police uses water cannons and rubber bullets against rioters.
But in israel they use assault rifles and live ammunition.

 

It's called collective punishment which is the MO of Isreal. LOL at you talking about logic

 

are you suggesting that these pictures Ronstar put in are of children playing with whatever they are while they are launching rockets. I don't think so.

I don't think what you said is any indication that Hamas is deliberately getting children killed. I do know though that those who want a genocide on the people of Gaza need to dehumanise either the people or the Hamas in order to get as far as they are concerned a good feeling watching the people of Palestine being killed. It is your people who kill the children committing
war crimes and ignoring the rules of war and always blaming the victims.

 

I think the main point about Hamas and its puny rockets could have been made by a French general, Pierre Bosquet, "C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre."

If Hamas had a strategic plan to engage and defeat the IDF, then their actions would just be part of war.

The Americans, for example, have not been deterred from killing children, as 'collateral damage', in order to achieve their war aims. Nor has any other state been deterred.

But Hamas has no rational plan to defeat Israel ... they know that their actions will simply bring ten-times retaliation on their own people.

The Palestinian resistance of forty years ago, which would infiltrate a few militants into Israel, seize a school or school bus, and kill all the Jewish children, at least had the virtue of not giving Israel an easy target for retaliation. The glorious deed would be celebrated among Palestinians, who could then continue to go about their daily lives.

Supporters of Hamas should urge them to return to the traditional ways.

 

Why alexa, Palestinians celebrate death and teach and encourage their children to believe, martyrdom (death) is great - Palestinian children are aspired to grow up and die as soon as possible! Watch them playing game of martyrdom, arguing who has the privilege of dying today!

 

My friend,

Israel is an island of peace, happiness and stability in the sea of misery.

 

So Israel is trying to show itself to the world. But constant oppression and state terrorism against the natives of Palestine take their toll.