WHO, Chinese, Iranian, and European Leadership Fail to Adequately Protect Americans

The Media likes to blame Trump for the Coronavirus outbreak in America, but the truth is that there were A LOT of people who failed before it became Trump's problem.

At some point there was only one confirmed case in China. Maybe there were more unconfirmed cases, but if Chinese leadership had taken action st that time the virus wouldn't spread. They didn't take action. Even when there were a thousand it was enough time to take action. They didn't and it's a complete failure of leadership.

At some point there was only one confirmed case in Iran. Maybe there were more unconfirmed cases, but if Iranian leadership had taken action st that time the virus wouldn't spread. They didn't take action. Even when there were a thousand it was enough time to take action. They didn't and it's a complete failure of leadership.

WHO was notified of the coronavirus ourbreak three days after Wuhan officials were notified yet they didn't declare a pandemic until the virus became rampant in two continents. Some US officials were also not notified that it can transmit asymptomatically until April despite WHO knowing about it months earlier.


Then there are the European nations. At some point there was only one confirmed case in Italy, France, German. Maybe there were more unconfirmed cases, but if Europeam leadership had taken action st that time the virus wouldn't spread. They didn't take action. Even when there were a thousand it was enough time to take action. They didn't and it's a complete failure of leadership.


By the time it got to the US it was too late to do anything about it. Everyone before Trump has failed and it's not fair for him to carry the burden.

 

It is not up to their countries to protect Americans.

What stronger steps do you think European countries should have taken when there was one confirmed case?

 

And that is the moral dilemma that was posed by this virus, especially in open democracies. As we know, the draconian methods are antithetical to a free thinking people. And yet, those draconian measures are seemingly the only thing that either works or slows it down.

If we had done it with 1, or 100 or 1,000 cases then yes, we could have mitigated things completely but that would be amoral because of the size. Even now, the size per population is small enough that it's like "Well, if we can keep it here then the vast majority won't be affected."

Even in that study that showed that maybe 2,400 Boston citizens have the virus, that's still paltry compared to the total population of Boston.

And then as was once said: Liberty lost, it's never won. Will we ever get "back to normal"? The government can herd us, why would it want to give up that power?

 

They may not feel any obligation to "protect Americans", but they don't have a problem with taking our money...... I believe we're the largest contributor to the WHO, and Iran is currently trying to get $5 billion from the IMF, but when it comes to being open and honest and transparent about the coronavirus, or heaven forbid "protecting Americans", it's okay for them to give us a big Screw You and we're on our own?

Don't come at us with one hand looking for a handout and the other hand looking to stab us in the back.

 

Followed our lead and banned travel with China

 

Americans? They are complicit in infecting the world.

 

Testing, quarantine and shutting down travel.

 

There were thousands of Americans overseas and thousands of foreigners here in America when the shutdowns were ordered. It took several weeks before all foreigners left and many Americans are still overseas, although thousands also returned home

 

Wouldn't it be nice if OUR leadership protected us adequately?

Too much to ask I guess

 

i blame trump, what happen in china or EU, its their own issue, once virus get on US soil, its US government job to take care of it, either ignore it like trump did for 2 month or aggressively contain it like singapore/SK

 

Iran has not received a dime from the IMF in 70 years! It applied for an IMF loan for the first time since the 1960s only because of the sanctions which the US has forced against Iran -- and even then, the US has been blocking Iran's IMF application. No one imagines Iran will get a dime even now that it has applied, given the US opposition to such a loan to Iran.

Your message, for a country that put Iran under a virtual global blockade in trade because of its control over the world's financial institutions and the role of the USD, is insulting to anyone who has a clue. While, technically speaking, medical supplies are supposedly exempted from US sanctions against Iran, even purchasing medicine from abroad is extremely difficult (and often impossible) for Iran. The way it works, if you are from Iran, the entire global financial system (anyone dealing with the US dollar), is closed to you. Meaning, any person or group in Iran who wants to even purchase medical supplies, won't be able to do so as the financial mechanism to pay for them is absent.

The US owes a lot to Iran by virtue of reneging on the JCPOA and many other things, which have cost Iran trillions of dollars in lost revenue, blocked financial assets, and losses. Iran owes nothing to the US. Sorry to say this, and I generally don't want to conflate politics or even geopolitics with this pandemic, but your self-centered assertions and scapegoating really got under my skin. In relation to Iran, the US is like a bullying, thieving, monopolist who has closed down all of a smaller competitors bank accounts using undue influence, cut the competitor from being able to trade with anyone, tried to cut off necessary supplies and electricity from being supplied to its competitor, has been telling everyone that unless they continuously lie and level all sorts of (often) outrageous lies against, they would be also treated badly, which at one point was reveling on the possibility that its competitor (who it hadn't been able to knock off even by its bullying) might die from some illness which it is recovering from, who has now fallen ill from that illness and is looking for scapegoats for it.

 

I can't edit my post, but need to correct this part since even when ranting, I don't want to say something that is incorrect. The last time Iran got a loan from the IMF for any reason was less than 70 years ago. It was, I believe, all the way back in 1967 -- which would make it more like 53 years ago.

I am, personally, even against the application Iran lodged for this IMF loan now, since as I alluded to, Iran is unlikely to get a dime anyway given the US opposition. But the Trump administration referencing "billion dollar' bank accounts held by Iran, when it has taken all sorts of actions to make all those accounts ones which Iran can't access, merely adds insult to injury.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-to-block-irans-5-billion-virus-loan-request-2020-04-07
U.S. to block Iran's $5 billion virus loan request

 

America did not ban travel with China. Imposed restrictions, yes. Ban travel, no.

 

So you must be equally unhappy that Trump didn’t impose those measures when the first case was detected.

 

Huh? There cerainly was a ban, if you were from China you were banned from coming here

 

So in your opinion, no Americans traveling from China were infected so the "ban" did work as planned? The proof: well, no Americans were found to be carriers (no testing or quarantined was actually carried out) when they returned ergo they were not infected. 40,000 passengers entered the US from China after 31st Jan, some just 2 weeks ago

 

There was no lead to follow. Italy banned travel from and to China four days before the US did.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveke...ina-before-americait-didnt-work/#19a22324481b
Italy imposed a ban on flights from China on 31 January, immediately after a Chinese couple in Rome tested positive for the virus. The U.S. began to restrict flights from China four days later. But while Italy enacted a full ban, the U.S. policy was only a restriction, with wide exemptions.

 

You said “banned travel with China”. You didn’t qualify it.
There was lots of travel between China and USA after Trump imposed restrictions.
So ... not what you said. Accuracy is important.

 

I'm not surprised who "liked" your blatant, group insult. Or that you made it. I reported it.

 

The Italians burned their corpses, so I'd say mass burials>>>>>>>being burnt to an unrecognizable crisp. Of course, neither is ideal but at least one is a proper burial.

 

I certainly didn’t say that we however won’t let Americans behind

 

I didn’t think it was necessary. Clearly we wouldn’t leave Americans behind

 

You also let Americans fly back to China after 31st Jan

 

So Struth is in charge of international travel now? Damn...

 

Apparently so. Here is his post "I certainly didn’t say that we however won’t let Americans behind"