Who Does The Government Think They Are Prohibiting Intentional killing?

"That violates my rights"

http://www2.franciscan.edu/plee/wrong_of_abortion.htm

"I. Human Embryos and Fetuses are Complete (though Immature) Human Beings.

It will be useful to begin by considering some of the facts of sexual reproduction. The standard embryology texts indicate that in the case of ordinary sexual reproduction the life of an individual human being begins with complete fertilization, which yields a genetically and functionally distinct organism, possessing the resources and active disposition for internally directed development toward human maturity.[1] In normal conception, a sex cell of the father, a sperm, unites with a sex cell of the mother, an ovum. Within the chromosomes of these sex cells are the DNA molecules which constitute the information which guides the development of the new individual brought into being when the sperm and ovum fuse. When fertilization occurs, the twenty-three chromosomes of the sperm unite with the twenty-three chromosomes of the ovum. At the end of this process there is produced an entirely new and distinct organism, originally a single cell. This organism, the human embryo, begins to grow by the normal process of cell division—it divides into 2 cells, then 4, 8,16, and so on (the divisions are not simultaneous, so there is a 3-cell stage, and so on). This embryo gradually develops all of the organs and organ systems necessary for the full functioning of a mature human being. His or her development (sex is determined from the beginning) is very rapid in the first few weeks. For example, as early as eight or ten weeks of gestation, the fetus has a fully formed, beating heart, a complete brain (although not all of its synaptic connections are complete—nor will they be until sometime after the child is born), a recognizably human form, feels pain, cries, and even sucks his or her thumb.

There are three important points we wish to make about this human embryo. First, the embryo is from the start distinct from any cell of the mother or of the father. This is clear because it is growing in its own distinct direction. Its growth is internally directed to its own survival and maturation. Second, the embryo is human: it has the genetic makeup characteristic of human beings. Third, and most importantly, the embryo is a complete or whole organism, though immature. The human embryo, from conception onward, is fully programmed actively to develop himself or herself to the mature stage of a human being, and, unless prevented by disease or violence, will actually do so, despite possibly significant variation in environment (in the mother’s womb). None of the changes that occur to the embryo after fertilization, for as long as he or she survives, generates a new direction of growth. Rather, all of the changes (for example those involving nutrition and environment) either facilitate or retard the internally directed growth of this persisting individual."

The myth of a child in utero not being a human being must be stopped. If one stops to consider the facts, it is readily apparent that a child in utero is absolutely a person.

 

The Lie that a fertilized egg is a Person continues, pssst no brain = no person.

 

Gee, "franciscan" site MUST be non-biased .....but it NEVER says the fetus is a person.

AND IF the fetus is a person the woman it is attacking has a right to self-defense as you have been informed a million times.

The fetus does NOT have super rights over the PERSON it is in.

 

They can't see it, it would get in the way of women's rights.
They can't imagine a world without abortion.

 

The lie is yours, referring to a human being as an egg. Our species does not lay eggs.

 

Our species produces eggs, though.

 

Yes, it's wrong to deprive anyone of their rights, women or men. And no woman should lose her rights because she becomes pregnant.

It is hard to imagine a world without abortions since abortion has been around ever since humans have been around....legal or not.

It is hard to imagine a world without abortions since there is no way to stop women from getting them.

 

Why don't you think women should have rights?

 

You seem confused, as many right to lifers are, between the difference in having human DNA and being a person, until you have a brain how can you be anyone, hmmmm? Yes we do start out as eggs, they are just inside the body, learn a little biology.

 

Plus, these anti-abortion nuts tend to be all for going to war against the "bad guys" of the world, like ISI*. That is, they don't mind a good blood-bath involving thinking, feeling adult victims, just as long as they dream up some justification for it.

But tiny clusters of cells in a woman's womb with no mind to speak of are clearly precious and need to be protected at all costs!

 

That's because it isn't concern for that fetus that drives them ....it is all and only about exerting control over women, punishing them for having sex....

 

Our right-wingers do have a strange relationship with sexuality, don't they? The more religious they get, the weirder they get about it, too.

And yeah, controlling women's sexuality is an old, old tradition for religious wingnuts. It's one of their core values, in fact. I'm not sure, but I kind of think it must be part of a complex stemming from the basic male need to dominate women, a part of our basic survival and reproductive strategy still present and, arguably, badly misfiring in the modern context.

 

Yes, and it's only very insecure men with self esteem problems who need to dominate women....

 

Incorrect! Even federal law disagrees with your errant notion. Read up on the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, which recognizes the personhood of a child, who is in utero, at ANY STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT!

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a child in utero is "ATTACKING" the host mother? you guys are too much.

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Never saw anyone claim an egg is a human being, but a zygote clearly is.

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"tiny cells in a woman's womb" are what all human beings were at one stage of their life. Pro abortion nuts think a woman's convenience trumps the right to life of a child, who is in utero. Just like when anti slavery people tried to explain that blacks are people too, the opposition wanted to continue to abuse those people so they claimed it wasn't true.

 

And some cannot figure out why so many have them on ignore, reality is simply not in their skill set, LOL.

 

I don't PUT anyone on ignore but the ravings of "twisted" lunatics can be ignored......or laughed at...."I am right because I said I'm right so I'm right and proved it somewhere but I won't say where but I'm right ...and I'm right ...and I'm right...""""

 

Ok, your choice. Whatever.

 

Congress does not have the authority to establish personhood. If it did, it could have written a law saying a fetus is a person, period.

 

Obviously you are correct in one sense, nobody establishes personhood, Congress just recognized it in the UVVA. But Congress clearly does have the ability and authority to recognize it.

 

Absolutely untrue, as you know. BTW demonizing the people who disagree with you is a clear indication you cannot refute their points, you lose!!!

 

Then why didn't Congress "recognize" the personhood of a fetus in the case of abortion?

 

Politics.

 

Wrong, it would be unconstitutional. IOW, Congress doesn't have that authority.

 

Wrong, or the UVVA would not exist! Congress obviously had and has that authority.

 

The UVVA doesn't "recognize personhood" in the case of abortion. It doesn't have the authority.