Two things I wanted to touch on with this thread. One the anger, hateful, and division of politics. The other the anger, hatred, and division of religion. I will try to be brief. We have a group of people called republicans, with similar parties so to speak that branch off, but for the most part the same ideology. It's the same with democrats. These two parties are divided from one another, because the beliefs within them differ dramatically. They are by definition very similar, with substantial arguments that could be said, they are the same. However, the republicans group together for elections and voice their opinion in an attempt to get the person desired for election, of course this person runs on similar ideologies as the party. This person does not have to have or live by, those similar ideologies in realistic terms, he/she just needs to run on them for the votes of the party they feel is more likely to win. This same thing is done with the democratic party. In such scenarios, it's no different. The republicans have their beliefs, the democrats have their beliefs, and they vote accordingly. The republican party for the most part believes, marriage, is between a man and a women. And the definition of marriage or any word, should not be changed for the ideology of some. By getting together and speaking their voice/opinions, the democrats was able to successfully change this definition and legalized same sex marriage. Republicans were furious, but nonetheless it was changed. So no matter what the topic is, we have groups of people within voicing their opinions, and from which dictate "policy". From this division arrives anger, and hatred. Is there anybody that can "honestly" tell me, there is a difference here (with the above), than that of "religion"? If so, please "honestly" answer? One more thing, the government gives the national news media, topics for both parties to argue over. Weather that be allegations of criminal activity, actual crimes, etc, etc. You only get what they want you to have, this results in desired arguments from both parties. With predetermination of the results.
Right now I only have 11 views on this thread. A small number, but enough to have or should have, gotten an answer. I believe nobody is answering, because they know, there is no difference.
Politics and religion are both governed by emotion. We used to be united by facing a common enemy, Communism. We no longer have that common enemy so we must focus those emotions on something else. It appears that much of it is focused on our fellow countrymen. "We have met the enemy and he is us." (Walt Kelly in "Pogo")
Yes, religion leads to suffering (anger and fear.) Jesus defined marriage as between a man and a woman - he was too uncaring, too hateful, to unloving, to also add in these few words "and between man/man, and between woman/woman." A wise man once said (well, er, ok, he's not a man but a little green dude) the following.
They were furious about same-sex marriage because they follow a hateful god/prophet. They can do better.
You already explained the difference in your OP. Republicans or democrats, when they win, can enforce their policy, and beliefs, on others. If you decide to be a Catholic it has zero impact on me.
Its been scientifically proven that Yoda could not effectively wield a lightsaber with three fingers.
Dang you science-types!! Let me enjoy my unscientific illogical religious (Jedism) delusions in peace!! What are you, some type of Imperial Richard Dawkins or something!!?? Next thing you'll tell me is that Wookies, Jedi, and Jesus are NOT REAL!!???
It seems you must be illiterate, your not reading the OP's thread. The results and actions of political differences, opinions, and beliefs, people arguing over what they "believe" should be law or not, is the same as those of religion. Take Jesus or religion out of the equation, and you still have people who believe marriage is of a man and a women. They don't even believe in God, they just believe this. So opinions and beliefs cause division, anger, and hatred, just as religion causes, anger, hatred and division. It's the same fu()()ing thing! If you cannot understand that, something is seriously wrong with you.
Yes, those 3 things, opinions, and beliefs, and religions, cause division, anger, and hatred. I just want to reduce those causes by 33%.
Your missing the point. Opinions and beliefs "is" religion! The only difference is the definition. The results and actions of the people, how they fight and argue over those opinions and beliefs, is the exact same.
A great many Americans, particularly on the Right, live in a hugely emotional world where everyone is hating something all the time. Many people outside the USA are grown up, you know, and discuss things sensibly.
You can't even stay on topic. You completely missed the point, and to top it off, you extract one area of my OP, take it out of context, and present your own "beliefs". Proving what I wrote is 100% true.
Thanks for showing your television programming, is doing just that, to you. You don't believe in God, but a star wars character now that's real.
The Bible is fact based. And nothing within has ever been proven wrong, rather what's within has been proven correct. Some things even being hidden. Such as the extinction of dinosaurs. The Bible does mention "dragons". "Large beasts". It is of my "opinion/belief" that the asteroid that marks the area of dirt in which dinosaurs are found, was not an asteroid, but the great flood. And the craters in the earth, that some think are from asteroids/comets, are where the fountains of the deep burst open, most people think the great flood was supposedly just rain, but the bible tells us the fountains of the deep also burst open. For instance, if you take a look at these images; https://www.google.com/search?q=ear...4PrXAhUE1mMKHQoYC1QQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=974 You will notice that there are no skid marks, every single one must of hit straight on, which is very improbable. However you can see how they are shaped as a bullet would exit the target. The edges are lifted up as if the bursting/exiting pushed them outwards. Every single one of them holds these traits, being very consistent in showing the same thing happened with all of them, or all was caused, by the same cause.
Interesting parallel you have drawn between ideology and religion. The common denominator is human beings. This type of thing is just natural to humans. It seems to be rooted in tribalism. Humans are pack animals and naturally form groups. Eventually these groups oppose one another in a struggle for power.
Yes people, especially men (yes I am one), when gathering in groups become more and more like a pack of dogs. It is of my opinion that the best remedy for this, is "Christianity". But why? Because the "Laws" our Father in heaven gives us, are laws nobody would disagree with. Even the Old Testament. Because if everybody simply went by the 10 commandments, we wouldn't have to worry about the "laws" within the "law". Most people will bring up the fact that God had set laws for slavery. God knowing the desires of men, and what they will do with the knowledge of evil, He thought laws would reduce just how evil it could get. I believe it did. He said if your a slave, be the best slave you can be, so long as it doesn't break his commandments. If it does break His commandments, and you are sent to the counsels or king for punishment, hold faith and He will deliver you. Even if it means death. It's easier said than done, but I believe if put in the situation, I would lay down my own life, before taken another's life, even that of my enemy. Now just think, if everybody had that same philosophy. Other religions would have you kill those (infidels), that don't believe. Christianity would have you "love thy enemy, pray for them".
I agree. History has shown that the more "secular" a society becomes the tendency is to have big swings between liberal and conservative type ideologies. It is all a power struggle because with no ultimate authority the people will fight to become their own "god". It never works out well.
The Lord of the Rings, and Harry Potter, and Game of Thrones ALSO all have dragons. So a thinking person would put those three stories and the Bible in the same category of credibility.
Indeed, if the Bible's "dragons" were that of the same. But they are not. The Bible also mentions "unicorn", but you probably come to the conclusion (without investigating) that these unicorns, are horses with wings, and a horn. But the "unicorn" is a rhinoceros. The 200 year old Noah Websters Dictionary will prove that. There are two rhinoceros, one has two horns, the other has one, "unicorn". So please don't put the Bibles dragons with that of which you did. The Dragon is a crocodile, sea monster, it is that of a large beast. The Bible mentions a dragon in Revelation chapters 12, 13, 16, and 20. Revelations 20:2 identifies the dragon: “He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.” The Bible is not teaching that dragons ever truly existed. Rather, it is only comparing Satan to a fire-breathing monster. It is very interesting to note, however, that nearly every major ancient culture has myths and legends about giant reptiles. How would these civilizations, continents and millennia apart, all come up with legends of giant reptile creatures? Evolutionary scientists tell us that dinosaurs existed millions of years before human beings. Dinosaur fossils were not discovered until thousands of years after the myths of giant reptiles began. How can this be? The Bible mentions two creatures that seem remarkably similar to the dinosaurs, the leviathan and behemoth, in Job chapters 40-41. It is the view of creation scientists that all the “dragon” myths came from real contact between human beings and dinosaurs. The Bible tells us that all animals were created around 6000 years ago and co-existed with human beings. That would explain how all human cultures have myths about giant reptiles—because they actually saw them! The “fire-breathing” aspect of a dragon is possibly a myth, but the universal legends of giant reptiles point to real contact between human beings and dinosaurs. Unicorn U'NICORN, noun [Latin unicornis; unus, one, and cornu, horn.] 1. an animal with one horn; the monoceros. this name is often applied to the rhinoceros. 2. The sea unicorn is a fish of the whale kind, called narwal, remarkable for a horn growing out at his nose. 3. A fowl. fossil unicorn or fossil unicorn's horn, a substance used in medicine, a terrene crustaceous spar.
