Who is the militia?

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  1. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    Considering how the dems protect the ghettos, gang and street pharmaceutical salesmen and let's not forget ,"come as you are border crossings"..

    Pretty damn good really!
     
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  2. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    I made my arguments with statistical backing to which you simply said it was BS while giving nothing to back up your statement. I win, you lose. I have nothing more to offer you as you have shown what a waste of time it would be.
    "I don't want Trump to be the GOP nominee but I will vote for road kill over Biden." You call that a "rational argument"? I rest my case.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    This is you saying blacks are a problem without saying blacks are a problem......because that would be a problem for you.
    Just making things up......but, the other side of that coin is the NRA lost their minds and made the ill informed scared that the boggy man is alway lurking. The NRA used to be FOR gun control before La Pierre.
    Wrong. It's common sense.
    We have more people in jail now than any other country but you think we have to do more because you can't see the forest for the trees.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    Ok, go ahead and prove your point. You obviously didn't.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    Wrong, I know the answer to your question but you don't even understand your own question.
     
  6. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    Really? Vigilante gangs out there cleaning up the streets?
     
  7. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    Where that bit of logic hatched is truly a mystery :hiding:
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    yeah it's rational. I don't want Trump being president. But he's a better choice than Biden.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    what do you win?
     
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    what is common sense about passing laws that ONLY restrict currently legal harmless activity by lawful gun owners? The NRA realized that Democrat gun control schemes were not designed to reduce crime
     
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    I did to people who have open minds and understand facts
     
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    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    The internet of course..
     
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    And this is why you don't offer any solutions. I've offered solutions lots of times on this forum. Not one having to deal with guns, all of them guaranteed to drastically reduce ALL violence, not just "gun violence". That is far more than what leftists try to do when they only go after objects that are not the source of the problems, just a symptom at best.
     
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    The bill as currently written:

    "It shall be unlawful to knowingly, 5 in a circumstance described in subsection (b), while acting 6 as part of or on behalf of a private paramilitary organization and armed with a firearm, explosive or incendiary device, or other dangerous weapon— 9 ‘‘(1) publically patrol, drill, or engage in techniques capable of causing bodily injury or death;"

    It goes on to prohibit a lot of things that are already illegal, like threatening people and impersonating the police. But I stopped here because they listed the most ridiculous thing first, for once. May not "publicly patrol, drill or engage in techniques capable of causing bodily injury or death". WTF does that even mean? That would make public shooting ranges illegal (that is a shooting drill), armed neighborhood watches illegal (that is a patrol), most Black Panther marches illegal (also a patrol), and many form a martial arts illegal (that's drilling a technique capable of causing bodily injury or death).

    They will literally ban any and all firearm and self defense related activities that are more than having a gun locked up at home, and only that because they think as long as we have that, we won't revolt against it. These freaks are REALLY terrified of We The People and are clearly determined to compulse our total pacification. Now why on earth could that be...? :rolleyes:

    OLL24007 (senate.gov)
     
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  15. FatBack

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    It makes you wonder if anyone even proofreads the stuff that these morons write.

    It would be hilarious but unfortunately the joke is on us because these are our so-called leaders.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This one is pretty short. I bet most of them read it. The vagueness of it is intentional. The more vague the law, the easier it is to selectively enforce, so their friends and allies can still do whatever they want and the rest of us can't.
     
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    I notice that you, again, didn't answer the question, and are now engaging in ad-hom fallacy to deflect instead.

    So, why do you feel an increase of so-called "gun crime" is alarming, when violent crime in general has fallen to historical lows? And what effect, if any, do you think a doubling of firearms in private ownership has had on the halving of violent crime over the same 30 year time period?
     
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    Arms in the 17th century, which is where the 2a is derived from, specifically meant firearms, not any type of arms. Knives in those days were not considered "arms" in the 17th-century context. They were considered "tools" where that could be used to cut meat, such as wild game, or anything else. You might want to consider what Jefferson wrote when he said, "Great Britain ought not to complain: for, since the date of the order forbidding that any of the belligerent powers should equip themselves in our ports with our arms, these two cannon are all that have escaped the vigilance of our officers, on the part of their enemies."52 Later in the same document, Jefferson remarked that "it is equally true that more than ten times that number of Americans are at this moment on board English ships of war, who have been taken forcibly from our merchant vessels, at sea or in port wherever met with, & compelled to bear arms against the friends of their country." But arms are something that cannot generally include feet, hands, or even knives, certain types of knives. But there is another definition in which Scalia wrote which also stated that any dangerous weapon.
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    Knives can be weapons, and even cars can be considered weapons, but law is not arbitrary, and as such, arbitrary laws are generally Unconstitutional, which the Supreme Court has been very consistent on whether with Heller or Bruer cases. It was not the firearm per se, it was how not to allow someone a firearm arbitrarily which is why those laws were Unconstitutional. Thus, Scalia wrote that in judicial review that "dangerous weapons" can still be banned to the general public. That is why cannons, for instance, are not sold to the general public even though they are weapons or "arms" in the 2a.
     
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    Who is protecting the ghettos or are you in favor or "arresting the usual suspects" type of thing?
     
  20. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Oh really, is that so? Here is just a few links where anyone can go and buy a cannon.

    Let me know if you would like some more if you're interested in buying one.

    Might want to do a little bit of research before posting such incredibly easily disproven claims


    https://cannonsdirect.com/

    https://www.downrangecannons.com/sh...ons/full-size-reproduction-civil-war-cannons/

    https://empirecannons.com/shop/ols/products/full-scale-field-cannon
     
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    No one is trying to consifiscate firearms, not even the bill even though it says "dangerous weapons." The problem is that the Supreme Court has not defined what a dangerous weapon is actually defined even though we attempted it in 1994 with GOP and Democratic support when the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban was in place for 10 years.
     
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    You can definitely talk the talk, but the real question is can you really walk the walk.
     
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    But......I heard in FOX News that crime is rampant.
     
  24. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    lol
    Just admit that you were wrong and move on.

    Face it, you claimed that cannons are not for sale to the general public and that is clearly untrue.

    Go to any one of the links I so conveniently provided you and see that you can buy whichever one tickles your fancy.
     
  25. ButterBalls

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    What are you trying to say, maybe finish that first cup of coffee and try again :shock:
     

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