Who is the most evil person who ever lived

You're right, I think.

They are either among the existing list, not known publicly or frequently on the victors' side.
For example Sir Arthur "Bomber" Harris who directed the firebombing of Dresden was so ruthless he was nicknamed "Butcher" Harris by his men.
Dresden, like Oxford England was among the cities that were agreed upon to be off limits & had little strategic value but was flooded with refugees at the time of the firebombing. A nearby German airbase was untouched. Rather than expressing remorse at the gratuitous loss of civilian life which did little for the war effort, "Butcher" Harris said that he would do it again.

 

Yes, Bomber Harris has long disgusted me. America at least tried to hit factories by day (in Europe. In Japan it was a COMPLETELY different story with LeMay even before the A-bombs). Bomber Harris seemed to care only for body counts - men, women, children, elderly seemed not to matter to him. And being trapped in a bunker during a fire storm, while you slowly suffocate to death over a period of hours as the fiery whirlwind above sucks the oxygen out of the air, seems a pretty cruel way to die.
A true butcher...and yet he is to this day thought of by many as a hero.
Blah.

 

God has and can put limitations on Himself for various reasons. For instance, I know He humbled himself, became a man, and died a horrible death on a cross submitting Himself like a sheep to the slaughter, not lifting a hand or a word in His own defense. He paid the debt that we owed so that we could be reconciled to Him by or own free will or we could continue to mock Him and pretend we understand our own infinite existence.

No we don't understand it all and you in your feigned wisdom do not either. That is why Faith is available to all.

 

Then I stand by my choice of the Most Evil, G*d
The Creator of All.

 

.....the choice to mock.

 

Most evil person ?

It was easily the lunch lady back in high school.

 

Meh. Blanket bombing was S.O.P. as of 1941. Harris did not take over Bomber command until 1942. Most bombing was done at night and the aiming and navigation systems would not allow precise targeting. Dresden had strategic value (this was where military opticals were produced). And his defense of the bombing was not due to bloodlust, but to the theory that forcing the Germans to concentrate tens of thousands of guns at the sky instead of the ground, and damaging the workforce took away capacity from the German war machine.

 

Why, then did Harris' own men refer to him as "Butcher" Harris & why the need for "Firebombing".
Additionally, why was the nearby German military airbase untouched?
It's a fact that Dresden was a "Free city" (i.e. Off Limits), flooded with refugees & its firebombing was to kill civilians & damage German morale
As long as the victors write the history, this war crime will have its apologists.

"I survived the bombing of Dresden and continue to believe it was a war crime"

Victor Gregg

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/15/bombing-dresden-war-crime

EXCERPT "As the incendiaries fell, the phosphorus clung to the bodies of those below, turning them into human torches. The screaming of those who were being burned alive was added to the cries of those not yet hit. There was no need for flares to lead the second wave of bombers to their target, as the whole city had become a gigantic torch. It must have been visible to the pilots from a hundred miles away. Dresden had no defences, no anti-aircraft guns, no searchlights, nothing.

My account of this tragedy, Dresden: A Survivor's Story, was published on the day of the anniversary this week. I gave a number of interviews around the publication, in which I insisted that the affair was a war crime at the highest level, a stain upon the name Englishman that only an apology made in full public view would suffice to obliterate."CONTINUED

 

What does how some people refer to him have to do with anything?
I explained the rational behind going after the civilian housing.
It was a 'free city' with military significance.

All of it matters not a whit. The Germans were the ones who initiated carpet bombing. They were the ones who initiated the war. You want to blame anybody, blame them for setting the standard.

 

Germany did not initiate war against Great Britain. Minor point.

Your argument also amounts to justifying evil using other evil, yet the civilians of Dresden were not responsible for what happened during the war.

 

No. The argument is the 'most evil person ever'. Bringing up Harris in this thread is simply ret@rdation. In a war initiated by the Germans, the British used a tactic previously employed by the Germans. Germany was responsible for what happened during the war, and I reserve my sympathy for those who stood up to them.

 

That's ignoring an awful lot of what happened leading up to the war and being clearly biased, but I understand. War is one of those things we tend to be incapable of being impartial about.

 

Who started WW2 remains an issue of debate by many historians who consider WW1 & WW2 one big War. A WW2 was guaranteed by the draconian Treaty of Versailles, Britain's Starvation Blockade of 1919, the Danzig Massacre etc.

If you'd ever served in the military, you'd know the significance of how subordinates regard their commander (i.e. "Butcher" Harris)

According to the eyewitness I cited, the civilian city of Dresden had no air defenses, not even spotlights & had no military significance. Civilians were only burned to death out of hate.

It was not just Germans who inhabited Dresden at the time of the literal holocaust, but Allied P.O.W.s, hundreds of thousands of refugees from the east fleeing Soviet rapists in the coldest winter of the century.

I'm not suggesting that "Butcher" Harris is the most evil man who ever lived but only stating that legitimate historians acknowledge that:
1. The Victors write the History, ergo, the "Villains" are generally among the vanquished.
2. No single nationality, religion, race or ethnic group has a monopoly on either good or evil

 

It seems that this discussion is relevant again.....

 

Why?

 

You mean "Bomber" Harris?

 

Muhammed.

 

You're more than likely right.

 

pope urban II & his successors... doesn't get any more evil than a 'religious' leader slaughtering any/everyone that don't follow him, all in the name of religion...

 

Karl Marx

 

Some of us here are being set up for a Deliverance from various Demons........
there is information at the 38 minute mark in this video:





Or..... here......
this whole page gets into some interesting stuff.....

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...n-online-outreach-to-satanists.517921/page-10

 

Dennis I thought you anointed your house with oil. Why are you having trouble with demons???

 

Why Karl? Why not Stalin or Mao or Pol Pot?

Marx really wasn't even violent. He believed that communism would triumph when Capitalism collapsed as it inevitably must. It was Lenin who added the idea that struggle, world Revolution, would be necessary.

Also remember the Capitalism of Marx's day was starving families in the Dickensian streets and Mr Gradgrind's monopoly. AntiTrust laws were 50 years away and isn't Trustbusting Teddy really a bully socialist, strictly speaking?

I know it's crass to argue in an opinion thread, especially your own, but it's a dead subject and no one ever accused me of being over mannerly

 

Because Marx gave Stalin, Mao, et. al. the justification for their atrocities. Without Marx, no Stalin.

Marx did advocate violence. See here:

http://www.stephenhicks.org/2013/02/18/marxs-philosophy-and-the-necessity-of-violent-politics/

 

Right now I feel up there with the worst. No, I haven't killed or tortured anybody, not physically, but I've got some work to do.