Who Truly Deserves a State? The Kurds or the Palestinians?

I just grabbed them from a Google search.

Like I said, feel free to prove they are wrong.



Waiting....

 

Oh you are just a bounce back merchant who does not want to believe any truth and needs the last word. If you cannot be bothered to do any of your own research then you are not going to know anything about the subject you are now debating. That you went to what is basically a one man site run by a rabid zionist says all there needs to be known about you. You have already been proven wrong by others on your claims that the Arabs were about to attack. I really do not waste my time much on fools,so get an education if you want to debate this subject.

 

In other words....you (apparently) cannot prove these quotes are wrong.

Noted.

And since you cannot prove they are wrong - will you admit to the possibility that they might be right?



BTW - what exactly is your position when it comes to Israel attacking Egypt in 1967?

And if you condemn them for doing so (which I assume you do) - then do you also condemn the Arabs for attacking Israel in 1973?

 

You have to prove them to be correct first off being as it is your argument.

 

I will ask again:

And since you cannot prove they are wrong - will you admit to the possibility that they might be right?



BTW - what exactly is your position when it comes to Israel attacking Egypt in 1967?

And if you condemn them for doing so (which I assume you do) - then do you also condemn the Arabs for attacking Israel in 1973?

 

I will ask again. Can you prove them right? All you have at this minute in time is a pro zionist nutter one man website as your evidence. Not looking good for you. Fact is I know much more about this subject than you do,I read your posts and there is nothing in them worthy of a serious debate. You have very superficial knowledge.

 

Well, there are pages of links on Google.

Here is just one of them

(this apparently was a speech made at the UN):

'Now there could be no doubt about what was intended for us. With my very ears I heard President Nasser's speech on 26 May. He said:

"We intend to open a general assault against Israel. This will be total war. Our basic aim will be to destroy Israel."'

http://www.historyandtheheadlines.a...d=1283223&currentSection=1271019&productid=16

 

You may indeed know more about this then I do.

Much more.


So you are saying that until I prove to your satisfaction that the quotes I posted are true - that you will not answer my questions?

True or False, please?

 

Do you even know who the guy is making that speech? I bet you have to google it. Seems you cannot even find one unbiased source.

 

You are right - I have no idea who he is.

But he apparently made this speech at the UN - hard to believe the guy is going to stand up in front of the whole world and claim Nasser said things in an apparently public speech that he never said.


I am not saying that I am certain these quotes are true.

I am saying that I have seen evidence that they are. Fairly substantial evidence that at least one of them is.

And until I see evidence to the contrary - I will assume they are accurate quotes.



BTW - no idea why you seem to be getting so worked up over this.

 

Look how well it worked for the United States.

 

Alright....

Here is some more:

'On 27 May the President of Egypt, Abdel Nasser, declared: "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight."

Egypt signed a pact with Jordan at the end of May declaring an attack on one was an attack on both.'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/5/newsid_2654000/2654251.stm


Convinced Nasser said that yet?

Or is the BBC not reputable enough for you?

 

He was an Israeli politician the day after Israel just bombed Egypt and started the 6 day war. What would you expect him to be saying to the UN?

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/1061035175-post237.html

 

Well let's have a look at it. The BBC,right and what have they got to say?

The Arab states had been preparing to go to war against Israel with Egypt, Jordan and Syria being aided by Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Algeria.

Hmm, but that has already been proven in this very thread to be incorrect. Well well.

 

I asked you about the quote - which you asked me to prove.

Now please answer the question:

Convinced Nasser said that yet?

Or is the BBC not reputable enough for you?

 

Well I have never ever seen him say that,so am I convinced? Not really but that is not the point I am making. You have taken a few quotes from a one man pro zionist website and tried then to prove that Israel was about to be attacked. You were soundly beaten in that debate by people who obviously know more history than you do. What you have to realize is that Nasser was under the impression that Israel was about to attack Syria,they were told this by the USSR,so Nasser made defensive alliances with other Arab nations and spewed out some rhetoric on what he would do if Israel attacked. You have missed out all the rest of what actually happened and picked a few lines. I suggest you do some more research before trying to debate here.

 

So you are suggesting that the BBC is making this up?

I have provided ample evidence that it is true - and you have provided ZERO evidence that it is not true.

And still you are not convinced?




I give up - clearly you simply do not want to believe it and refuse to except reality on this.

I thought from some of the other threads that you were a level headed person.

I see that I was obviously mistaken...at least on this issue.


Let me know please when you are prepared to answer my other rather simple questions.

My guess is never.


Have a nice day.

 

You are not reading what I posted and as I stated before you are just one of those who bounces back with nothing. I have stated my argument clearly and defined what actually happened but you do not want to learn anything. If you carry on all that is going to happen to you here is that others who know much more than you are going to tear you a new ass. Take my advice. btw I have already proven that the BBC lied in the link you provided and you failed to take that in either even though what they stated has been dismissed as incorrect on this very thread.

 

Lol...whatever.


Let me know please when you are prepared to answer my other rather simple questions.

My guess is never.


Have a nice day.

 

BS answers like this just state that you have no interest in having a debate on the subject and learning something. I am sure you will be back with another one liner pretty soon with nothing in it worth anything.

 

Lol...this from a guy who refuses to answer the simplest of questions

AND

who assumes that a quote posted by the BBC, stated in front of the United Nations and all over the web (including wikipedia) is not true...even though he has provided ABSOLUTELY NO evidence to support his claim.

You are beyond rationality on this subject...clearly.


Like I typed - let me know when you get it together enough to answer my simple questions or at least acknowledge that you have ZERO evidence that the quote in question is not true.


And btw - the quote in question is:

'On 27 May the President of Egypt, Abdel Nasser, declared: "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight."'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/5/newsid_2654000/2654251.stm

 

'• On May 28, 1967, during a press conference, Gamal Abd al-Nasser stated clearly, ‘We will not accept any possibility of co-existence with Israel.’

• On May 26, 1967, Nasser, in a speech to Egyptian trade unionists, said ‘The battle will be a general one and our basic objective will be to destroy Israel.’

• The previous day, on May 25, 1967, Cairo Radio announced ‘The Arab people is firmly resolved to wipe Israel off the map and to restore the honour of the Arabs of Palestine.’

http://www.sixdaywar.co.uk/gloria-report-6-day-war-&-peace-process.htm


'May 22-27, 1967. Egyptian President Nasser declares the Straits of Tiran , between the Sinai and Arabian peninsulas separating the Gulf of Aqaba from the Red Sea, closed to Israeli shipping. He says, “”Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight.”'

http://www.semicolonblog.com/?p=16957


'The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence. Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight. We will not accept any�coexistence with Israel�Today Israel�The war with Israel is in effect since 1948.
These comments were made after Nasser ordered the UN Emergency Force out of the Sinai.'

http://www.collegetermpapers.com/new/viewpaper/1303719230.html

 

Oh it must be true if it is in wikipedia then. LMAO. I never said it was not true,I stated that I have never seen him say it. I was trying to give you the full picture of what happened but you are not interested at all. You are just trying your hardest to ignore the evidence that I provided because you are here to score points not debate.

You sure love those zionist websites,that is the second one you have quoted from now.

Your source above. This is what it says. A blog. Seems you could not even find a reputable site.

Sherry Early is the author and instigator of Semicolon, a blog about kids and books and homeschooling and communities and sometimes movies and politics and fun links and whatever else I want to write about on any particular day.

College term papers???? Is that the best you could come up with? You certainly are not making good use of google.

 

A lot of you are ignoring the history of the situation. Jewish people have been persecuted for centuries, but I'm going to outline this in a pretty simple way starting in the 1800s...

SKIP TO THE BOTTOM FOR A CONCLUSION

Late 1800s - Pogroms (massacres) in Eastern Europe directed at Jewish people

1890s - Zionism; Jewish migration from Eastern Europe to "Palestine"

WWI leads to the partition of the Middle East

Lawrence of Arabia leads an arab insurgency to throw down the Ottomans and create an Arab Nation

How does the partition of the Middle East go? Britain and France get what they want. Britain (Palestine, Trans Jordan, Iraq), France (Lebanon, Syria)

WWII leads to sympathy for the formation of a Jewish State

1948 - Israel is recognized by the U.S.

WWII led to the end of imperialism - Egypt, India, and more gain independence eventually

A series of Israeli-Arab wars happen (all started by the Arab nations); Egypt and other Arab nations attack Israel, Israel wins and takes a lot of territory from them.

The Arab people left in these lands taken over by Israel have no home, become refugees (Palestinians).

Now its all super complicated because the US & USSR negotiated peace between Israel and Egypt (leader of the Arab nations at the time), but Israel started settling in the areas they had taken (and continue to do so).

More History

Until 1967, the West Bank was part of Jordan
Lebanon – balance between Christians and Muslims; last census was in the 1930s; after 1948 balance is upset with a few hundred thousand Islamic refugees; causes violence; 1960s, Palestine refugees form PLO & Fatah – guerilla tactics & terrorism against Israel
1967, Palestinians flee to Jordan (Israel takes West Bank) – Jordan is split between Palestinians and (other group?)
Black September – Jordanian Army vs PLO; Sept 1970-July 1971; PLO expelled from Jordan; flee to Lebanon
From 1970 on, Palestinians are terrorists to the US Public
• 1970 on – Multiple hijackings by Palestinian terrorist groups
• Munich Olympics
o Palestinian terrorists (not PLO) murder 11 Israeli athletes
• Late June 1976 – Palestinians hijack a French airliner; take to Uganda
• July 4th, Israelis mount a rescue operation and rescue every passenger but one; force only loses one man (Colonel Netanyahu, older brother of PM of Israel)
1976-1989, Lebanon Civil War (in part, caused by the imbalance from the PLO refugees)





IN CONCLUSION
Hatred based on race/religion has caused all of these problems. There are a lot of minorities who are oppressed in the Middle East. Continued fighting won't solve anything, but compromise will make both sides feel like they have lost, so they just continue to fight. Is there a solution? No one has found one yet.