Who Truly Deserves a State? The Kurds or the Palestinians?

I have proven you to be wrong. Jewish organisations were responsible for the majority of terrorist attacks in Palestine and your little ploy of posting up an incomplete list of attacks to try and show it was the Arabs has been proven to be BS. But you always post BS so it is always easy to dispute it and prove it to be wrong. Your post are very dishonest.

 

The only thing you've proven is that you are full of sh*t and you can't even lie coherently. Ignoring the Arab revolt with thousands of murders committed by the Arabs while desperately deflecting to a few Irgun attacks proves the total absense of intellectual honesty, nothing more.

Anyway the original discussion with 'creature' was about 1948 and the Arab invasion of Israel which you tried to sidetrack. You've done your regular routing embarassing yourself in public, get lost now.

 

Your posts are dishonest as proven and being as you like the Arab revolt so much and claim that in it the Arabs committed thousands of murders then lets have a look at it. Your fav source wikipedia says.

In the Arab revolt 1936 to 1939 the Arabs lost 5,000 dead,15,000 wounded,108 executed. The British lost 262 killed and 550 wounded and the Jews..300 killed and 4 executed so we can deduce from those figures that you are posting BS yet again that has been dismissed. Thanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936–1939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine

 

LOL are you seriously comparing the Arab revolt during which tens of thousands were killed with a few random Irgun attacks? Who do you think you are kidding besides yourself? The arabs were responsible for 90% of the violence in Palestine before and after the revolt, they were responsible for 99% of the violence during the revolt.

The second phase, which began late in 1937, was a violent and peasant-led resistance movement that increasingly targeted British forces. During this phase, the rebellion was brutally suppressed by the British Army and the Palestine Police Force using repressive measures that were intended to intimidate the Arab population and undermine popular support for the revolt.

According to official British figures covering the whole revolt, the army and police killed more than 2,000 Arabs in combat, 108 were hanged, and 961 died because of ‘gang and terrorist activities’. In an analysis of the British statistics, Walid Khalidi estimates 19,792 casualties for the Arabs, with 5,032 dead: 3,832 killed by the British and 1,200 dead because of ‘terrorism’, and 14,760 wounded.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936-1939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine

 

Yes thanks for proving my point. You claimed that the Arabs killed thousands and you were wrong as stated in your own link unless you think the Arabs were killing themselves. This is just too easy. Your posts are a joke borat.

 

If kurds can manage to set up a tent,you can consider it as a success.

 

You can manipulate words all you want, that's the only thing you do and that's not fooling anyone. The arab revolted, killed jews, brits and arabs, the revolt was brutally suppressed by the brits who killed thousands of Arabs. Irgun attacks during the revolt was a drop in the bucket, your deflection is miserable failure. It was the Arab Revolt and the arabs were responsible for all the deaths their revolt caused.

 

I am the one sticking to the facts as usual and you have been proven wrong.You claimed that the Arabs killed thousands in the Arab revolt and I have proven you wrong and now you have changed your mind and stated that the British killed thousands. You cannot even keep track of your BS argument. Anyway I have had enough of proving your BS wrong for now but hey feel free to carry on shooting yourself in the foot.

 

Yawn. You look like a pretzel again. Brits and arabs were killing each other during the Arab revolt, including arabs killing arabs, arab police killing arabs, arabs killing arab police. Tens of thousands died, the blood is on the hands of the Arabs and the Brits, your desperate deflections and word parsing are pathetic.

 

It didnt? Of course it did.

It was run by the same people, fought for the same people and populated by the same people before and after May 14. But we're still talking about two entirely different things are we?

As for arab honesty, it was preceded by numerous Jewish agency (can we say israeli? ) speeches about arab transfer and population 're-distribution' long before Abdul Azzam.

And as for Azzam, the quote starts with ""I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre[10] or the Crusader wars."

and ends with;
""I foresee the consequences of this bloody war. I see before me its horrible battles. I can picture its dead, injured, and victims … But my conscience is clear … For we are not attacking but defending ourselves, and we are not aggressors but defenders against an aggression! …"

http://www.meforum.org/3082/azzam-genocide-threat

But you knew that right?

Ive never said it was part of NATO. Israel is Republika Serbska.

We in the west took defensive action to prevent Bosnian Serbs further massacring Muslims and others. The arab nations took the same defensive actions as the quote youve just given us proves. Problem?

 

You think Zionism is blameless because the british made it possible?

How can they be blameless after all, they;

1/ Knew most people there objected to any jewish state.

2/ Knew most people there Objected to jewish immigration

3/ Knew most people there Objected to the british imperial presence

4/ Worked tirelessly to influence the british into creating the Balfour declaration.

A clearer partner in crime one couldnt imagine.

 

Still waiting (futilely) for your reply, Borat.

 

Youll wait a long time Goomba. Hes in so much deep water itll take a while to consult the the various zionist blogs for a response.

 

I guess I'll simply use this thread for future reference.

 

Zionists followed the law of the land when the Brits ruled the area, Zionists followed the partition resolution when it was passed by the United Nations. Jews were attacked and murdered by Arabs prior to the creation of Israel, 7 arab armies invaded 1 day old Israel in violation of all international norms with the explicit agenda to wipe the Jewish state of the map....

These are facts dear, what you are posting is spin.

 

Exactly. That was an ultimatum, if Jews get their state the Arabs will massacre them. And that's exactly what they set out to accomplish on May 15 when they invaded Israel to aid Palestinian arabs who had been massacring jews for decades. How this is not an act of aggression with the explicit agenda to commit a genocide is beyond me. Especially given the fact that at the end of the war Jordan annexed the West Bank.

 

His whole argument can be summarized in 2 sentences. The arabs disagreed with the creation of Israel. He thinks the arabs were right, therefore no matter what was happening and who was trying to wipe who off the map - the wars were defensive for Arabs even when they were starting them.

Needless to say, this can't be considered a serious argument.

 

Lol, the more you post the more outrageous claims you make. Now, explain to us all how illegal immigration and terroristic attacks are equivalant to "Zionists followed the law of the land when the Brits ruled the area."

The resolution recommended the creation of two states; the Zionists unilaterally declared independence; thus, they violated the resolution (not to mention the Balfour Declaration). Anyway, Imperial Britian had no right to allow the immigration of European Jews into Palestine in the first place, but that's a different story.

Yes, because the Zionist terrorists epitomized peace and love. Indeed, let us all applaud the murder of Folke Bernadotte, who played a major role in rescuing thousands of Jews from concentration camps. Bravo, Zionists!

Which is the fault of the Zionists through their unilaeral declaration (in addition to their practices of ethnic cleansing that occurred before (and during) the War).

On the contrary, that is an acute assessment of yourself. Further, I'm still waiting for your response to my posts.

 

Yawn.

1. Here is the list of killings and massacres in Palestine before the partition. Arabs are responsible for the overwhelming majority of them. In the last several months before the partition virtually all massacres were committed by Arabs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_the_British_Mandate_for_Palestine

2. The UN passed the resolution partitioning Palestine. The jews implemented it, the Arabs did not and started a war instead.

3. Your defense is massive fail. "Creation" at least tries to muddy the waters, you just have no idea what you are talking about.

 

I am pretty sure that the law of the land did not include murdering people and that is what zionists did in Palestine. Why do you even bother to post BS everyday? Jewish terrorist groups murdered many innocent people including other Jews and that was against the law. Borat turned over yet again. How many times is that today? Wow must be at least 50.

 

You already posted this BS earlier in the thread and it was turned over by me,that list leaves out 57 attacks by Irgun. What do you think you are achieving here apart from making yourself look like an idiot?

Borat being turned over with his list.

http://www.politicalforum.com/unite...ate-kurds-palestinians-13.html#post1061018535

 

and it leaves out hundreds/thousands of arab attacks during the 1936 -1939 Arab Revolt which killed tens of thousands.

 

Clearly the links I posted prove otherwise, the number of Arab attacks exceeds the number of Jewish attacks by an order of magnitude. And it's despite the fact that hundreds if not thousands of Arab attacks during the Arab revolt of 1936 - 1939 were not even included in the list.

 

I am just going to put you on ignore as you are basically a fecking idiot and not worth my time. Wow that is much better,now I cannot see any of your endless BS and lies. Thank God for the ignore button.

 

1) I agree 100% that Israel was completely justified in their pre-emptive strike on the Arabs in 1967.

There is a TON of evidence that the Arab world was ready to attack Israel.

and 2) Will you please stop calling people 'liars'?

Just because someone says something they believe (even if it turns out to be wrong) that DOES NOT MEAN they are liars.
It just means they misunderstand.