in whatever form it may take, speculation is still speculation and as such has NO place at all in the discussion. What we really need is a focus on the physical reality that is documented, and also noting the voids in documentation..... but speculation is futile!
it is the supporters of the official story who speculate so much, the problem is that whatever it was that destroyed three WTC skyscrapers that day, it was NOT simply fire + gravity & damage caused by aircraft crashes. What we have is a HUGE logical disconnect between what people were shown on TV and what the explanation for what happened by the mainstream media. The huge voids in actual evidence are ripe for speculation and with that speculation all sorts of things will crop up, like allegations that the towers were destroyed by Hydrogen bombs ( or? ) Personally, I refuse to speculate, the bits that I KNOW, are based upon hard evidence & logic.
Name one thing we speculate about............ Name another... We KNOW planes were hijacked and flown into buildings on 9/11,there is NO speculation on our part that they were somehow 'faked'
Since there is no accounting for the physical wreckage of any of the 4 alleged airliners, there is NO proof that the planes existed at all, note also that photographs of an Arabic looking guy at an airport is NOT proof that this person hijacked an airliner. The logistics of accomplishing the hijacking + flying to the target and scoring direct hits on 3 targets is simply out of the question. The various crash sites are NOT consistent with airliner crash sites and in fact, one veteran news reporter stated upon viewing the Pentagon scene that "no airliner crashed anywhere near the Pentagon" ( and given the common usage of the term, this is inclusive that is no airliner at the Pentagon or anywhere around it) the network cut to a commercial break and when they returned the reporter had to very seriously back-peddle and explain that the airliner crashed into the Pentagon and entered the building leaving only little bits on the Pentagon lawn. Note that this is highly uncharacteristic of airliner crashes, and is most improbable that it could have happened as described in the mainstream media. The airliner crashes is one point of speculation, and for another the demise of WTC1,2 & 7 complete & total destruction of all three skyscrapers and exactly what was alleged to have been the cause? "progressive collapse" in the case of all three buildings, ALL of the connections, welds, bolts, etc.... would have to fail exactly on-time as if on schedule, to achieve the result as seen. In short, the official story has no legs.
There's bits of the planes in the 9/11 museum,they've had to document they came from the two jets,your standards of proof,as I said,are impossible to meet.. And your incredulity goes off the page in this post...It was MORE than photo's of an 'Arabic looking guy at an airport' How you can be so wrong about so many things,and still claim them,frankly amazes me,You assume facts NOT in evidence,and just plain assume all over hell on this board
Is there a figure available for any of the 4 crash sites that states anybody measured/weighed the aircraft wreckage and can account for X tons of stuff? Where are the flight recorders for "FLT11" & "FLT175" and in response to this question, the standard bit is "oh but they had entire 110 story skyscrapers fall on them, what do you expect to find?" HOWEVER, in the case of the alleged airliners, "FLT11" only had some of the top 17 stories of the skyscraper fall upon it and at that, given that other sturdy metal objects ( ie: firearms ) were recovered from the rubble, where are the flight data recorders? or for that matter any recognizable piece of a flight data recorder? For that matter, there was a restaurant at the top of the North tower, and in the artifacts recovered, why wasn't any trace of said restaurant recovered, heavy metal cookware, metal counter-tops, refrigerators, stoves, where are the artifacts? Why is it that first responders noted the absents of bits like even recognizable remnants of desks, chairs, telephones, even doorknobs, and all of this total destruction was allegedly attributed to the "collapse" event?
There you go again with those impossible standards for proof the cockpit voice recoder and the flight data recorder are designed to be strurdy,and are placed in the taiol sections of planes,because that seems to survive most crashes the fact than ANYTHING recognizable was found in the rubble is a miracle in of itself.
There is energy, and then there is focused energy, the problem with the total destruction of major artifacts such as tons of kitchen gear from the restaurant, is that there would not only have to be energy available, but that energy would have to be focused in order to completely destroy the bits that are known to have been completely destroyed. What magic provided the FOCUS to make the energy do the work as was alleged?
<sigh> how many times must we tell you about gravity,before it finally sinks in? Are you being purposefully obtuse,or what?
So you are saying that GRAVITY focused the energy exactly to the points needed to cause the complete & total "collapse" ( that is destruction ) of the towers? is that what you believe?
You are correct. This discussion is about the "space beam" theories invented by fringe racist political groups promoted by the "truth" movement years later. It is a FACT, not speculation, that the space beam/DEW/disintegration ray theory was invented by Nazi apologists in 2002. It is a FACT, not speculation, that when "truther" JIm Fetzer intoduced Judy Wood in 2006 with her DEW theory this was understood to be her theory. It is a FACT, not speculation, that Steven Jones, also in 2006, was supportive of Woods "research": 911blogger.com/node/4449 "Following is Dr. Steven E. Jones' request that the Scholars for 9/11 Truth "take a close look at these ideas."" Steven "Nanny Thermite" Jones wants people to take a closer look at an idea invented by Bollyn and/or associates. It appears to be a FACT niether Jones, Fetzer, or their supporters want to admit DEW is not an invention of Judy Wood. Therefore, in consideration of these FACTS that show deliberate deception, a reasonable conclusion is DEW is a deliberate fraud. And here's a kicker: Bollyn claims to be the founder of the "truth movement." http://www.meetup.com/lonelantern/messages/52801292/ From: AMERICAN UNDERGROUND NETWORK Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:30 PM Subject: ccc-6th ANNIVERSARY SHOW - CHRIS BOLLYN -5-9-2013 (9PM) Link for THURSDAY's Show # 300 6th ANNIVERSARY BROADCAST Christopher Bollyn - Star Reporter from the American Free Press Founder of the 9-11 Truth Movement Week Number 300 5-9-2013 Double kicker: not one "truther" leader is contradicting him.
There is GRAVITY, and then there is a requirement that in order to do what was observed on 9/11/2001 there would need to be focused energy. GRAVITY alone does not focus. in order to do what was observed on 9/11/2001 there would have to be ALL of the bolts/welds ( etc... ) give-way at the correct time, not too soon, or too late but on time.
The topic is space beam weapons & who was the first to assert the use thereof. however, the tangent got started on the bit about the destruction of the WTC skyscrapers and if not weaponized energy beam, then what did destroy the buildings? I prefer to not speculate on the subject of what sort of explosive or other source of energy was invoked, it was obviously an additional source of energy involved in the process.
Less "started", and more hijacked, as was pointed out. That is not the subject. The subject is pushing a fraudlent theory. However, if you don't want to discuss the subject, as per forum rules, you can simply not comment on this thread.
what makes it relevant to any discussion of 9/11/2001 that is the question of who first asserted that an energy beam weapon was used to destroy the towers & 7?
So instead of addressing my question, witch was why should it matter who first promoted the idea of an energy beam weapon in use on 9/11/2001 you present the theory that Judy Woods was the first...... whatever?!?!?!?!
This is what I asked, and an "answer" that is your opinion about who was the first to promote the energy beam weapon theory isn't an answer.
Dude. You are "out there" Those people who say planes were not involved, when we clearly saw them crash into those two buildings is just too straining of credibility. There are far too many mysteries involved to create mysteries that do not exist. When people invent ray guns, when they say that planes did not crash into those buildings, this clouds up already cloudy waters. Why would one do that? It just looks like to me that some of these truthers wear tin foil on their heads. Some of these scenerios are sheer nonsense.
Look at the video that alleges to show the "crash" of "FLT175" that is the Evan Fairbanks or Michael Hezarkhani Video, do you see a CRASH? where is it? The "aircraft" simply disappears into the building! This is clearly B movie special effects. Don't give me incredulity about how it was impossible, the fact is that this video was presented to the world as being an airliner crash, where is the CRASH? The ONLY way it could have been as seen in the video, would be if the WTC wall was made of cardboard. Give me a break!
