Who will stab Julia in the back?

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/14158650/faceless-men-eye-alp-challenge-abbott/

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says the Labor's party's "faceless men" are considering another leadership challenge against the prime minister.

Mr Abbott said he wasn't surprised at reports on Saturday that former prime minister Kevin Rudd still has leadership ambitions.

Mr Rudd's wife Therese Rein told Fairfax newspapers her husband could still return to the federal Labor leadership, but only if he was invited.

Mr Abbott said the party's "faceless men" would have the final say on who was leader.

"I'm not at all surprised that there are lots of people inside the Labor party who'd think they'd do a better job than Prime Minister Gillard, but in the end we know who calls the shots," he told reporters at Yatala, south of Brisbane, on Saturday.

"It's the faceless men. And what the faceless men are doing right now is weighing up whether it is time for change."

The opposition leader said Ms Gillard had shown numerous errors of judgment and had lost the trust of Australians.

The prime minister's pre-election promise not to bring in a carbon tax was "utter political betrayal" and had destroyed any trust, he added.

Mr Abbott was at a pie shop south of Brisbane campaigning against the carbon tax, which came into effect last week.

Australian Greens leader Christine Milne said it was hardly surprising Mr Rudd was agitating.

Mr Rudd, government whip Joel Fitzgibbon and NSW Labor secretary Sam Dastyari were continuing to destabilise Labor, Senator Milne said.

"The prime minister must wake up every day and think who needs enemies of the Labor party when you have people within," she told reporters in Adelaide.

Mr Rudd should come out and say things himself rather than allow his family members to speak for him, Senator Milne said.

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Julia`s use by date has come and gone. Poor old Julia shouldn`t have ever sold her feeble soul to the faceless men, her ego trip will cost her dearly. Rudd is on the nose more than last week`s prawns that hve been left in the sun. The faceless men have destroyed the credability of the ALP bu playing god with the nation. Who will take over from Gillard?

 

Julia will see out the election. Abbott is just playing games......actually the same old Kevin Rudd game. Perhaps he should concentrate on formulating some policies to give the electorate instead of reaching into his bag of spite and trotting out the same old rumours. Deflection is the new in word in Canberra.

Abbott is in need of a new tune, or he will face losing the unloseable election. God help us then.

Does anyone know if the rumour is true that Tony is over in Indonesia loading up boats with new imports. LOL.

Sorry couldn't help myself.

 

It doesn't matter now the damage is done.

Labor is doomed no matter who is the PM.

Lets not forget the Greens in all this.

The carbon tax / ETS has their fingerprints all over it.

 

What a farce the ALP turned out to be, looks like Kevin oh Heaven is ready to stab Gillard in the back who stabbed him in the back. the sooner this whole pack of froot loops go away and never to be heard from ever again the better. What is funny (freaking disgusting really) is that both of these clowns will get pensions and other perks for life that we will pay for.

 

I would say the shadow of her own big nose will end up stabbing her in the back - what goes around, comes around.

I have to agree MM, lets hope one day the people will wake up to paying these clowns retirements they should NOT be entitled too.

 

Gillard will go to the next election simply because, who could they replace her with? Rudd is on the Nose, sure he seems better lined for public opinion. However, that still does not change the dynamic of the Labor government.

Who else would generate enough support to pull them from where they are at the moment? Swan? LOL... No, she is their best chance and it would take far too long to groom another candidate to replace her.

Unfortunately for the Labor party, Gillard has pinned her hopes that this carbon tax will not hurt to the extent that will see many others hurt. The government had hoped to go to the next election showing budget surplus and a glowing report, that the lower socio-economic population (growing in Australia) will be rewarded, by shifting some wealth, in their direction.
Problem is, they never really know, what impact on the people will be, from their policies. With many failed policy, the people of Australia made them pay politically in the last election, now it seems abundantly clear, that they will pay even greater at the next. Regardless of who is in front of the party, trying to tell everybody how great they actually have it.

 

I know the Libs aren't going to divulge their policies yet, but they are not giving any indication they have any.

The public want some carrots, not sour lemons. We all know the government stink but Abbott needs policy for his own popularity. Now the love affair between the greens and Labor is nosediving....funny that......it is time to strike. A marriage between unionists and the yuppies party was never going to have longevity, however they give it a good shake. Seems the pact Labor signed with the greens is getting the blame for the odour that is coming out of the Lodge. I don't think that's fair.


They smell different.......more organic !

 

Agreed, the ALP has played all of it`s cards. They wouldn`t be in "govt" now without the sexist votes for Gillard at the last election. They have already scraped the bottom of the barrel in their desperation for power, they`ve failed to perform, and now face the consequences. The toxicity of the defacto marriage between the ALP & the Greens is now beginning to rise, watch this space.

Abbot on the other hand, has had the easiest job in Australia, since he gained the leadership of the opposition, he`s had life too easy. In the election of `07, there was a huge component of anti Howard sentiment, many people were intent on voting Howard out, more than voting Rudd in. In one sense, Abbott is in a similar position to Rudd prior to the `07 election. Australia needs to not be in the position of the pre `07 period, Abbott needs to prove that he and his party can govern. If elected, Abbott will be inheriting a huge debt, and other problems, Australia desperately needs competant government.

 

Labor will likely lose the next election, but if they bring back Rudd, the loss won't hurt as much. They should still retain enough seats to hold some form of power.

 

Labor has lost its way. Needs to lose to get a reality check because obviously public opinion doesn't phase them.
Bring back Rudd, I hope the US troops that Government allowed to come over get lost too.

 

I think that your point that public opinion won't phase them is their strong point, they have the gumption to do something, not based on public opinion and polls which are easily swung over the most stupid reasons.

Like I have said before, both sides are run by extremists, it is up to the government to find a path somewhere between the extremes, this means negotiating with both sides, The extreme right, Liberal, support business against the environment and the extreme left, the Greens, support the environment against business.

Now if one extreme has to win, I would rather loose some quality of life, even if it means dancing around the forests. This is much more preferable to loosing the ability to sustain life by destroying our environment, but having a healthy bottom line.

 

Of course Labor will loose the next election, that is unless the general voter looks beyond what she/he is going to get out of the election, and looks at the greater picture at what we all are going to get out of it.

This has never happened in the past, and I expect it won't happen in the future... unfortunately

 

Thanks so much for your insightful and prolific opinions. It's really a terrible shame that you only have the one to repeat over and over. Perhaps if you and your merry band of racist, chauvinistic, self absorbed mudslingers actually spoke to other people you might get a better impression of the reality of not only some of the issues you pontificate on but some of the opinions of a few real people, with real families and real jobs.

Having read quite a few of your other threads I realize this must be all you do?
I actually suspect you must work for the liberal party because you certainly have their narrow minded perspective. All criticism, and no policy!

The faceless men behind the Liberal party like to hire faceless men to do their dirty work.

Although as the level of arrogance rises within the liberal party and its supporters and their intelligence slowly spirals ever lower they seem to be forgetting the need for stealth and concealment. Openly flouting their affiliations and hoping the media bombardment of misinformation and fear mongering will be enough to distract people from the truth. If someone should happen to glance in their direction as they plunder the silver then quick point at Rudd and announce that another challenge is in the offing. The media race to the side almost capsizing the boat in their efforts to report another mirage. Thank god they are not trying to get past the navy in that rotting old tub.

Competent liars the liberals are but not competent government!

 

Gobsmacked are you Wayne Swan in real life ?

 

Don't you think this might be a strong case in the kettle calling the pot black? LOL

 

Just finished watching Q&A. Very refreshing to see two politicians from opposite sides talk thoughtfully and respectfully to each other and be mindful and respectful. Well done Malcolm Turnbull and Chris Bowen.

There are some good ones.......so it seems.

 

I missed this, but doesn't surprise me. We need a good old dose of respectful politicking, rather than the depressing, doomsayer and negative politics that is defining our character as a nation.

 

As I have said before, while abbott is opposition leader, labor have a huge chance!

 

If losing the next election due to a policy which will be abolished by the current opposition leader when he wins...What is the point?

You can't come on here and call both parties extreme yet take a side. Take a side of an extremist aren't you now one yourself?

 

I kindly suggest you wear a hat when venturing out into the hot sun.

hope this helps

 

Yes I am an extremist, and I never called both parties extreme, I was talking Libs v Greens. The Greens can be extremists when the dangers are extreme it calls for extreme measures.

Extremist history

These guys saved "The Rocks" from becoming office buildings and the Botanical Gardens from becoming a carpark. They have saved dozens of green spaces from being developed and again, we started it, we did it here first to lead the world. Clean up Australia, now Clean Up the World, we did it here first to lead the world. The CTS, we did it here, we did it first to lead the world.

 

If the Liberals are extreme then Australia must be a country of extremists;Who's in power in QLD,NSW,VIC,WA ?

Bringing in a tax which raises the cost of living,Proves the Prime Minister is a liar and which stamps the party their down fall from power, All which is promised to be abolished when the Liberal party win next years election.
Doesn't this seem a little extreme too you? You're not making sense.

 

None of the three are "extreme". Greens policies are generally moderate, they are no more "extreme" than the governments of the Scandinavian countries. ALP and Libs certainly aren't "extreme"

Rudd is a complete disaster, the best thing he can do is fade into the background and keep himself out of trouble, he was a woeful PM. Much worse than Gillard, certainly worse than Howard, and probably worse than Abbott.

Gillard will remain leader until the election. If she loses, she'll probably resign and Shorten or someone will take over. If Abbott can't repeal the ETS, the ALP will probably have a very good chance of winning the 2016 election.

There's still a long time to go before the next election, Abbott certainly does not have things sewn up. I agree, if anyone can lose such an unloseable election, Tony Abbott can. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

Ziggy, I agree with what you say about Abbott, admittedly my life`s experience has given me a personal aversion to accademic theorists, and I just don`t like the bloke. I won`t make any promises, but I will probably never vote fo a person like Abbott.

 

I do agree with most of your post, BUT, I do not think the coalition will roll back any ETS or carbon Tax or whatever you want to call it. Labor made the same claim with GST, and look at that. BUT have you ever seen any government give money back to the people (so to speak)? I am sure there will be some excuse. But I do not think it will be any catalyst for Labor to get back in 2016.

Other failures, of completely different policy, will continue to haunt them. The fact that Labor have been elected and spent more time trying to appear to be the only Government, with No support from any other party, has made put them in an extremely difficult position.

If they do not suffer party destruction from the next election, it could take many elections to recover. Unless they have a real change in their Dynamic.