Why Am I Paying For A War In Ukraine ?

Same **** England said when hitler invaded Czechoslovakia.

 

We would only allow an enemy to be invaded.
Its in the worlds best interest they see land grabs with force will always be more expensive than diplomacy. 80% of the worlds nations could cut half their military budget if not for Russia.
The other 20% where the US is the reason for their military budget need only worry about trying to land grab to avoid NATO's aggression.

 

It is entire responsibility to get involved in this.

 

That is a valid point of view. There are numerous points of view equally valid.

The Ukraine needs our help. We are in no way obligated to help them. However, it is to our advantage to help them.

 

That has nothing to do with whether Ukraine is an ally or not.

It's not.

 

Biden needs authority from Congress to start a war, but he told Zelenkyy to call Putin's bluff, so he managed to start it in a roundabout way.

 

What a dirtbag.

 

Very true, there are numerous points of view.

Take the civilians' point of view, they might not want the war at all.

 

It has everything to do with which nations are excluded from aid.
Ukraine is not excluded, and in my opinion, if Russia changes leadership, neither are they from China.

 

I am sure they don't. However, they very likely have a very keen interest in who wins. Since this very little country is kicking Russia's butt using what amounts to a civilian army, I am very confident that they prefer the Ukraine to win.

 

The US involvement would be the same whoever is president

 

Interesting thought. The US changed Ukraine's government in 2014, and when ex(?) comedian and movie hero Zelenskyy was elected, Biden promised to support Zelenskyy in every way if Z challenged Russia and crossed Putin's red line.

Well, it appears Zelenskyy is stupider even than Biden, because 'support' doesn't mean your country won't get trashed.

 

OK you want aid for everyone; great.

 

I want every civil nation to have a nuke at their disposal, in other words a world wide application of the second amendment.
And Aid to everyone who follows certain guidelines.

 

It's a good thing we're so rich that we can shower goodies on the world.

 

Civil nations afford their own passage.

 

That was an typing error.

It's not our responsibility to get involved.
Remember Korea, Vietnam Afghanistan, Iran, seems just about any time we get involved it doesn't go so well.

 

If you're trying to say one is not an ally of the US unless they have a defensive pact, that would be a very disputed notion actually. No Commander in Chief would ever agree with that notion considering most of the US's allies are countries we have no defensive pact with, while many countries that aren't really allies are countries we have pacts with. For example, Venezuela and Russia

By your logic, Russia is an ally and Ukraine is not. If you believe that's an undisputed position in American politics, plain and simple you are wrong. We've been aiding Ukraine in defense against Russia for three straight administrations

 

We have a mutual defense pact with Venezuela and Russia? Tell me more!

 

Bribing them with our money given to Ukraine as aid. Which they're still doing, which is why its still going on.

Because Russia won't let pedos teach kindergartners about buttsex, so war with them is good.

Because Ukraine is the most profitable money laundering institution in history and our political elite arent rich enough yet.

Because FedGov has the authority to tax you at whatever can be demonstrated as collective consent, and can spend it on whatever can be demonstrated as collective consent.

Take your pick.

The reasons are not:
Protecting democracy: because Ukraine is far too corrupt to be considered a democracy in any meaningful sense.
Protecting an ally: we have no alliance with Ukraine, in no small part due to this^
Protecting NATO: Russia has (or had before the invasion) the same GDP as France. Its simply not strategically possible for Russia to contend militarily with NATO, except perhaps in a purely defensive and nuclear capacity for a short time.
Protecting peace: several other nations militarily invaded weaker nations in just the past few years with zero F's given by DC, NATO, the media or anyone else on the global stage. Only when Russia does it is it worthy of our attention...

 

Let the Euros do more!

 

Yeah, that's how pacts work, we've had a defensive pact with Russia since 1994. By your logic we are allies with Russia but not Ukraine, even through we've been aiding Ukraine in defense against Russia for three straight administrations now

 

They are excluded from aid?? Tell us more!

 

It took me a second to realize what you were talking about, but it looks like you are referring to the Budapest Memorandum. We've discussed that on this forum quite a bit since the war started, and at no point has anyone made your claim that it's a defense pact with Russia. Sorry, I've no idea why you would try that. That's silly.

Now I'm really curious to find out about our defense pact with Venezuela!

 

This has not been one of your better days but I appreciate the unintentional humor.