Why are N95 masks even AVAILABLE to the general public if hospitals are short?

WRONG. I've answered this over and over again.

FEMA said they were delivering to outlets that then took bids on the material from any state or even country. They sold the material.

But, the material had already been for sale and had been purchased by hospitals that simeply didn't get their product - because FEMA stole it.

I've answerd all this stuff. Sorry, but I'm tired of this nonsense.

 

Yes, and the outlets deliver to hospitals among other entities. This really isn't difficult to understand.

Clearly because it went to a higher need hospital. You've not provided a single source to suggest otherwise.

So you've failed to be able to say what identifying hot spots is if not measuring need.
You've failed to provide ONE SINGLE source that Trump said what you claimed.
And you've failed to provide evidence that FEMA are continuing to interdict shipments.
Yeah, you've sure answered it all! What's happened to you? Normally you are good with sourcing.

 

It is also NOT what I said. You forgot that they are being delivered to outlets that then put them up for bid.

But, hospitals alread bid on those masks - and then had them stolen by FEMA.

There is NO value in that. And, it DELAYS hospitals, as they thought they already purchased masks!

AGAIN, you forget a key element. FEMA stated that they had no way of assessing need. That was on a Trump briefing.

Assessing need has to do with talking to hospitals to see what their needs are.

I cited a recent FEMA interdiction effort from a short time ago.

The SEIU medical union in CA tried to purchase ~30,000 N95 masks. FEMA had the FBI investigate, because they intended to interdict the delivery. Having the FBI investigate would otherwise never occur. The FBI doesn't investigate imports unless there is some reason - in this case, FEMA.

It blew up in the news, because the FBI found out that the foreign supplier was fake.

The SEIU was concerned about that, too, and no money had changed hands.

But, the fact of the matter is that FEMA planned to interdict if the deliver were found to be real.

I've already posted it. You can look it up at your leisure.

 

I wear an N-95 and it's a great mask but for me anyhow it's an effort to breath wearing it. You really give your lungs a good workout if you wear one of those buggers for an 8 hour shift.

 

Alright. So if I'm understanding you correctly, they go from FEMA to the outlets, then the outlets put them up for bid and then some go straight back to FEMA? Have I got that right?

No, I didn't forget YOUR CLAIM! However, you have YET to back it up! You still have a chance! Until you do, I haven no choice but to stick by FEMA saying that they have identified hot spots, which certainly sounds to me like assessing need.

I agree, but how the hell is that NOT identifying hot spots? My guess is that a hot spot in this context is a hospital in seriousness need. What the hell else could it be?

I have way too much time on my hands and so I went through all of your posts. You haven't cited ONE SINGLE source in this entire thread!

Due to you not being able to cite anything to support your claims, I had a look myself. You seem to be referring to this scam: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/report-stockpile-39-million-masks-exposed-fake-70111451

Unfortunately for you, there is NOTHING whatsoever about FEMA intending to "interdict the delivery."
You are TOTALLY confused my friend! I kind of understand though - there's so much news out there at the moment!

Well at least you've got this right.

 

Better check your masks.

 

Netherlands made the mistake of buying from the Chinese. That move was basically DESTINED for failure!

 

They're not the only ones, Governor Gavin "he's a" Newsom inked a deal with a Chinese company for over $1 Billion dollars. Any first responders and health care personnel need to sue the state of California if they contract Covid-19 while on the job using one of those crappy masks Newsom bought.

 

FEMA has not stated what shipments they have interdicted or how they make there decisions on what to interdict.

I haven't seen an official identification of what a hotspot might mean - as I have stated to you several times. There are hospitals in dire need even though the patient count isn't that high, as they aren't of a size that allows handling a lot of patients.

What I've said is that the FEMA director who answered questions at a Trump briefing stated that they had no way to measure need. That was in answer to why FEMA doesn't deliver PPE, etc., to those who need it most.

Not all the reporting of that event describes the FEMA connection. Also it doesn't explain how the FBI got involved so early.

This isn't really a mainline thread, so I haven't cited heere.

 

Yes, but you haven't backed it up with a source - why is that exactly?

Fine. Then you have to admit that it MIGHT be a hospital.

What about these hospitals?

Well you've clearly seen reporting which "describes the FEMA connection" and which does "explain how the FBI got involved so early." So present something!

What the hell is a "mainline thread?"

 

I stated where the FEMA statement came from.

Nobody thinks a hospital qualifies as a hot spot. And, this detail doesn't even matter.

 

Yeah, some unspecified, undated, press conference. How is that anywhere NEAR good enough? Like I said, you used to be ALOT better than that!

 

You don't listen to or watch the president's briefings?

That and twitter are where the president chooses ot make his statements. Maybe you can find the briefings on the White House site or on Youtube.

 

What, every single one of them for the entire duration? No I don't. Do you? I usually only see clips from them on a podcast that I follow.

Yeah, like I'm going to watch all of the daily press briefings since you made your claim. You made a claim, and it's only your claim until you prove it. FEMA said they identify hotspots and I QUOTED them on that!

Oh, interesting. Did you conduct a survey or something? You may be thinking that a 'hotspot' refers to a geographical area - well okay, but don't you suppose that the area's hospital would be kind of busy?

 

We've been reducing the number and capabilities of hospitals in some areas as a cost cutting method. So being overrun doesn't necessarily mean there are a lot of cases if all cases get shipped out.

It's true that hospitals are a good clue, but to me "hot spot" should have more to do with percent of the population in some area.

There are GOP senators who are questioning how and where Jared Kushner is directing FEMA products needed for COVID19.

There multiple claims that deliveries to hospitals have been interdicted by FEMA. In those cases, hospitals made purchases from legitimate vendors and the shipments never arrived.

 

And FEMA has explained why haven't they?

 

No, they have not.

GOP Senators have started an investigation of sorts to figure out what's going on.

It's important that these theings be bipartisan, but if they do the job, good for them at least on THAT part.

 

Are you referring to this? https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...investigation-into-mismanagement-of-strategic

 

The masks that are available don't protect you. They protect others. The masks that are worn by healthcare workers are meant to protect them. And right now they are not available to the public (anywhere I know)

This is why baboons who couldn't care less about others are, for the most part, the ones who go out in public without one.

But the need to wear masks in public is an example of a situation in which socialism beats individualism.

 

...because the Trump admin. is an international mafia organization and is selling masks in the black market passing hospitals. From now on, if the American people need anything from the federal government, they must pay protection-money to the Trump Mafia first, or go without.

 

Ah... a conspiracy theory. I don't suppose you have even one single SHRED of evidence do you?

 

Well they do protect the people wearing them don't they? It's just that it's more about protecting others. However, if someone without a mask sneezes towards someone, the person will have more protection if they are wearing a mask than if they aren't.

Similarly, they will protect others too. It's just that it's more about protecting the healthcare workers. However, if a healthcare worker without a mask sneezes towards a patient, it's less likely that the patient will catch the virus if the healthcare worker is wearing a mask than if they aren't.

So then why the hell is the government telling people to not buy them to save them for healthcare workers?

Aren't even the non-medical grade masks hard to find because of people panic buying them? If so, you can't surely expect people to stay locked in their homes until they magically become equipped with a mask.

 

No. But I'm afraid to say it because of the many people I've been reading lately who might not wear them if they know this because they couldn't care less about others.

???

Because they should be saved for healthcare workers. Obviously...

You make them. There are instructions all over the internet. But now they're becoming available in supermarkets too.

 

What I mean is, that they offer SOME protection for the person wearing them. You completely cut off the rest of what I said. I said if someone without a mask sneezes towards someone, the person will have more protection if they are wearing a mask than if they aren't. Of course, the virus can still go through the person's eyes, nose or ears, but at least their mouth is covered.

But I'm afraid to say it because of the many people I've been reading lately who might not wear them if they know this because they couldn't care less about others.

You said that right now they are not available to the public. So why are people being told not to buy them if they're not even available?

 

It's conceivable that there is a statistical advantage for the person wearing a mask in that scenario. I don't know that it's significant.

Why do I have to keep reminding you to read all the words I write.