Why Biden may win a second term . . .

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  1. ECA

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    And yet these diabolical people couldn’t get any of these crooked election workers to win enough seats for the Dems to keep the House? Yeah…not buying your excuse.
     
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    I thought that my initial statement addressed this notion already, but I will phrase it in a different way because obviously my meaning was not conveyed.

    In order to win the house, you are including the results from 50 separate state elections. Just because someone has the ability to throw in a few boxes of phony ballots in Atlanta, does not mean that they have the ability to throw in ballots in Akron Ohio. For that matter, it does not give them the ability to throw in ballots within the same state, so having that ability in Atlanta does not even extend to being able to cheat in Macon.

    This is not an excuse. I very clearly stated that I am not making a stolen election claim in any way. I am merely refuting your notion that the ability to cheat somewhere would somehow magically create the ability to cheat everywhere. I realize that you perhaps have been pushing this mantra for a while and are perhaps not going to easily let it go, but I have a rock-solid point. That rock solid point is not dependent upon whether cheating existed in 2020 or for JFK in Chicago, or even Al Franken in Minnesota where that trunkload of ballots magically appeared a week after the election.

    Having the ability to cheat in one place means not one thing in regards to being able to cheat somewhere else. An election in Georgia has no bearing on an election in Ohio.
     
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    Just sad...Nothing to contribute butad homs...
     
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    And where are these people getting all these phony boxes of ballots? My mother requested a mail in ballot and only receive one ballot. Seems you need to believe Trumps mantra about a stolen election. Funny how even FOX news pundits have admitted they never believed the stolen election bullcrap.
     
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    Go back and analyze the post of yours that I quoted and my response before playing the "victim" card.
     
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    At this point the odds will always favor any Democrat over any Republican in any presidential election for reasons that should be obvious to Republicans.
     
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    Answer your own question that you do not have an answer for.... what was the count of "mail in ballots" midnight on November the 8th, 2022 for the Republicans.... all was fine with that rule until suddenly the people not authorized to change elections laws suddenly rewrote election laws...
     
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    You are trying your best to switch this from me correctly pointing out that the theoretical ability to cheat in one state does not mean that you would have the ability to cheat elsewhere to a debate about whether cheating did occur. This topic is NOT about whether cheating occurred in any election.

    Let's take one from the past, where in truth I know almost nothing about it other than there was alleged cheating. Some people say that Richard Daly's Chicago machine cheated and handed the election to JFK. Now if one were trying to investigate whether this is true, would they look at Georgia and say "no, since the house went to Republicans, then obviously there was no cheating in Richard Daly's Chicago"? Such a tactic would be unbelievably ridiculous because they are simply not related in any way.

    Georgia has not one thing to do with whatever Richard Daly could or could not do with the election in Chicago. The same principle applies here. Having the ability to cheat in one place means not one thing in regards to being able to cheat somewhere else. An election in Georgia has no bearing on an election in Ohio.
     
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    Cheating is not new. There were reports of "floaters" in the 1888 election who voted in Ohio and then took a river boat to another state to vote again. And yes the Lyndon Johnson's victory in Texas was very fishy. They didn't call him "landslide Lyndon" for nothing.

    The problem is there are too many American citizens who are starting think that the elections are rigged, and that is not good for a Democracy. I have doubts about the recent Senate race in Nevada, and Arizona is not too far behind.

    Because of ridiculously early voting, Pennsylvania now has a pathetic excuse for a Senator.

    The main thing you side has going for it is Trump. If he gets the Republican nomination, the Democrat will win. The Trump name is toxic to too many voters.
     
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    Still dodging I see
     
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    I was taking about actual cheating. I don’t get into theoretical discussions since it’s just that…theoretical. I’m a bottom line kind of guy. Did it happen or did it not.
     
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    If Biden wins the second term, it is to fulfill Biblical End Times prophecies!
     
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    They were blindsided by the results in the solid blue states of California and New York. If those races had turned out differently, the Democrats would still be in control. The Democrat vote creating machine is alive and well and ready to take charge of the White House, Senate and House in 2024.
     
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    I was talking about your incorrect assertion that losing the house has any bearing on whether or not there are any districts where someone may have the ability to cheat.

    Being such a "bottom line guy", then perhaps you would be better served by ceasing with the false assertions when arriving at what you believe is the bottom line. In other words, if you want to determine whether cheating occurred in Atlanta, looking to Peoria is a REALLY strange and illogical way of making that determination.
     
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    You seem to want to have it both ways. Sorry, doesn’t work that way.
     
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    Both ways?

    I am alleging that I have put forth one point, which is that "Having the ability to cheat in one place means not one thing in regards to being able to cheat somewhere else."

    What is the other "way" that I am trying to have that you are alleging?
     
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    Hahahaha sure thing. Keep spinning.
     
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    Already been explained. This says a lot.
    You can’t claim the Dems were able to pull off such a coordinated cheating effort for the presidential election but not able to do so for the house and senate. I know, I know…theoretical.
    Btw….when is my pillow guy going to show all this proof of a stolen election?
     
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    Just telling you the truth, but you can keep spinning. The Democrats did not plan on losing those seats.
     
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    But any good cheater wound make sure they didn’t. ;)
     
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    Thats just it.....I have made no such claim of there actually being cheating. In fact, I went out of my way to point out that I am not alleging that there was or was not any cheating.

    If one is going to try to determine what they believe, it is wholly illogical to conclude that since cheating did not occur in Peoria, therefore we can say that cheating did not occur in Atlanta. They are two entirely different topics but you are conflating them into one. It is wholly possible to control Atlanta the Atlanta voting machine while not controlling Peoria.
     
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    So your point was to just talk about what maybe could’ve possibly happened? Right…brilliant.
     
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    My point was to correctly point out that your belief that no cheating in Peoria means there was no cheating in Atlanta is in a word, illogical. We have 50 different state elections and you are acting as if they are one.

    When I was in high school I used to have a friend that worked at Taco Bell that would give me free food. Do you think this means that I therefore had the ability to get free food at every Taco Bell? Or was my free food gig only related to the person that I had on the inside in the one particular location where the dishonest employee worked?
     
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    Not acting as if they are one. Either they can make coordinated cheating effort by city/town in a presidential election and House and senate elections or they can’t.
     
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    When you state that losing the house means that they did not cheat in Atlanta is ABSOLUTELY depending upon the principle that they are one. Having a person/people willing to cheat in Atlanta to flip a Presidential election if it becomes necessary, does NOT mean that you have a person able and willing to cheat in Peoria to impact one out of 435 house seats. There is nothing there to legitimately argue. It is silly to attempt to conflate those as being the same thing.

    If you wanted to take an even deeper dive, I would argue that if Democrat cheating were to occur, it would be logical to do so in inner city black districts because you would need to enter far fewer phony ballots because of the 90% plus voting pattern of blacks for Democrats. If you did it elsewhere, you would need far more ballots to have the same impact because of the 60/40 or less split that exists almost everywhere else. Additionally, it would be inner city districts that have huge numbers of voters where more ballots could be absorbed without people knowing. If you are talking then only about inner city districts being potential cheaters by virtue of their inherent advantages that I just stated, they would have no impact on house races because Democrats are already winning the house races in those districts by huge margins.

    Atlanta has no bearing on Peoria. As I said earlier, my point is rock solid. I seem to recall you making this argument before, so you have been making it for a long time. It is just as wrong now as it was then. Losing the house in 2022 has not one thing to do with whether or not cheating occurred in Atlanta in 2020. There are a lot of ways to try to prove/disprove cheating in Atlanta. What happened in Peoria in 2022 is NOT among them.
     
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