Why can't we discuss UFO's honestly?

I do not know of any examples from recent times that I think are valid, but there are some signs that visitors could of visited our planet in ancient times, we just do not know

those people seeing something "high tech" back then would of believed them to be Gods

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Oooooooooo, I'm so impressed with your logic. There are reports in ancient times of people seeing high tech stuff! Well, that must mean that you have an example of such for us. Don't keep us all in suspense, tell us about 'it' or 'they' or whatever. Why, we want to talk about it and we wonder why we can't talk about 'it'!

Why is it that the military won't let us talk about UFO's? We know they are hiding hundreds of them in their secret bunkers that are a mile deep beneath the Mohave desert and stuff even! Why is it that the military attacked the WTC on 911 with flying saucers and they won't talk about it? With hired Martians driving them of course. We know the truth, it's futile to deny it Barack!

 

And if we had the ability to actually investigate if god was in the sky(because we actually thought that is where it was), would you consider that a worthy endeavor?

Do you not believe it is a legitamite question to ask whether something created something?

You see old Monty over here labeling, and slandering anyone who disagrees with him?

I would call this evidence that there is more than meets the eye here.

 

Did you understand the question? Do I need to type more slowly? Have you even looked at the posts?

The question was, of all the people in the reports and videos that I linked over many pages now, on what basis do you reject them as cranks?

Is there any logic behind your position or just emotions?

 

It is a classic fear reaction. It is interesting however that slowly but surely, the debunkers are the ones who emerge as the true crackpots. It is impossible to have a conversation that goes beyond childish rhetoric. It make me suspect that not everyone is capable of objectivity here no matter what evidence might be presented. Note the classic dodge to avoid confronting the real cases.

Now we should see another dodge that consists mainly of cheap shots directed at me. I have posted pages of information but do any debunkers have the credibility or the character to address these cases honestly and objectively? I doubt it.

 

If you want to pick apart a case, start with this one - the Iran 1976 case.
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/routing_slip_ufo_iran.pdf

 

how about the drawing that can only be seen from the air... notice I say could be signs of... cause as of yet there is no way to know

you can still see those from the air to this day

http://www.crystalinks.com/nazca.html

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There is overwhelming evidence... if a person chooses to look at it. And I can't imagine what's locked up and hidden away from the public. I bet that some of the things related to UFOs or aliens are state secrets.

Topics like these always make me wonder about people, though. Like some, for instance, must go through life thinking that governments are absolutely transparent, or something. It is just inconceivable to them that the government would withhold information, vital information, from the people. For some reason, in their mind, the government isn't in the business of secrecy. And I suppose, they think we don't live in a realpolitik dominated world.

 

If aliens have the technology to travel hundreds or thousands of light years in order to visit the earth then they absolutely have the technology to hide from us primitive earthlings.

 

I enjoy the ufo stories and the conspiracy theories that inevitably accompany them. The self-obsessed notion that advanced civilsations throughout the galaxy, if not the universe, are continually packing their picnic baskets for junkets across interstellar space, just to sneak around a diminutive planet orbiting a G2V star on the outskirts of a moderate-sized spiral galaxy to gawk at the indigenous life forms exposes a good deal about some of those earthlings.

(For tourists from deep space, conducting anal probes are the equivalent of throwing coins in the Trevi Fountain, doncha know.)


There are advanced life forms elsewhere, of course, the ones that don't waste time taking unnecessary trips.

For quite some time, I've been sending out the same 1420 MHz all points bulletin to them - in Esperanto:

Are you there?
Do you care?
We are here.
We've got beer!​

 

Why would they expend all that time and energy getting here, then not make contact?

 

Von Daniken has a lot to answer for, with his ragbag of "alien mysteries".

http://www.science20.com/archyfantasies/between_nazca_lines_evidence_vs_“i_wanna_believe”-75630

 

That would be assumed "time and energy", correct? I mean, unless you know the inner workings of alien space craft and can tell us the specifics verbatim.

And who knows, maybe UFO sightings are their initial way of communicating, but fighter jets and other official interference prevents them from making an encounter of the third kind. How are we supposed to know what an alien is thinking?

 

So long as they know that information is being withheld, and as to unverifiable statements, I didn't see the scientific world stand up when the 9/11 Commission released a report full of information gleaned from tortured men. Besides, scientists are just as morally corruptible as any other Joe Schmo walking around. There is simply too much information going in the other direction to have a worldview based off trust in scientists you've never even seen face-to-face. Never had a 3AM cigarette together and talked shop. You just know what he said because it was reported to you in the New York Times or Washington Post, Wall Street Journal even. But you don't really know for certain if the man or woman is telling the truth. Or if they're withholding information. How much of what they did remains classified/state secret - compared to what it is that they tell us.

 

[video=youtube;aqFF7e5Gy28]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqFF7e5Gy28[/video]

Contrary to the popular belief that the lines and figures can only be seen with the aid of flight, they are visible from atop the surrounding foothills. They were first discovered by the Peruvian archaeologist Toribio Mejia Xesspe, who spotted them when hiking through the foothills in 1927. He discussed them at a conference in Lima in 1939.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazca_Lines

 

I hope there are no aliens flying around earth.

In our history there has never been a culture that has survived long after meeting a technologically superior culture.

If there are aliens on our doorstep, they are far far more technologically advanced that we are, and to them we are primitive savages, that haven't yet figured out how to feed everyone and educate everyone and make everyone productive, let alone stop killing each other. Our religions would be viewed exactly like the missionaries in the darkest amazon or borneo would view the native religions - primitive, fanciful and outrageous - not to mention the ultimate in species conceit.

Let's not even consider that we often can't even accept members of our own species because of minor external differences like skin color or epicanthic folds or religion or nationality or social status or economic status or political perspectives. The same species on a spaceship and we can't seem to get our act together to operate the damn thing properly. How od you think a weird looking alien would be recieved?

I believe that the universe holds other life - intelligent, technological life. I simply don't want them coming around for a few hundred more years.

cheers.

 

OK, magic, thought beams, fartpower. Why would they waste all that greeble juice, and not make contact

 

As long as any discussion on UFOs begins from the starting point of "we dont know what this is, but similar objects have so far always turned out to originate from the solar system, usually Earth", and continue bearing that in mind at all times, rather than degenerating into completely unfounded speculation regarding extrasolar entities, that would be great.

 

everything I say is based on logic but you don't want to play that way. You just want to keep on with the suggestions and innuendoes on UFO's. I keep asking you to give us one example and you won't do that. I'm not asking for a whole bunch of bullsh-t links that say nothing, I'm asking for the real thing.

We're talking about UFO's and you won't talk about them. That's the reason why we can't talk about them honestly. There's no honesty to be had on the whole imagined issue

 

I'm not sure if they are really doing anal probes on humans. That could be nothing more than sexual fantasies of the religious right. People with a wide stance such as Larry Craig imagining an outlet for his frustrations now that he's not taken seriously.
And in fact, those who are continuously involved with these UFO fantasies are highly suspect of having other motives that are not honest ones.

 

Some of the very best pictures and film of UFO's and aliens! Be sure to turn your sound up as it makes it even more spooky!
http://www.ufodigest.com//video/ufo-ufologist-rule-vatican-during-papal-conclave-video

 

some say the Ark of the Covenant was actually alien technology

 

Where is the contact that was made? Did they really travel hundreds of light years to talk to the cashier at taco bell? What would be the purpose of their contact? and are they really stupid enough to let us humans see their space craft if they did contact us?

 

That's got to be one of most serious questions asked on this thread so far.

Of course these superior space aliens needed to talk to the cashier at Taco Bell. It was on the top of their 'to do' list.

love the avatar DeskFan. Gotta be one of the all time best!

 

maybe they stopped for resources, (to fuel up, food up) maybe they visited thousands of years ago, and did make contact, just we were not advanced enough at that time to record it accurately and pass it down the generations as anymore then word of mouth, which maybe became the basis of many of our myths throughout the ages


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