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Why didn’t the Democrats try to lawfully get the judicial branch to resolve executive privilege

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee_Wang_Tran, Dec 23, 2019.

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Why didn’t Democrat’s allow the courts to resolve this issue?

Poll closed Dec 30, 2019.

  1. No legitimate reason

    9 vote(s)
    69.2%

  2. There is a legitimate reason

    4 vote(s)
    30.8%
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  1. Lee_Wang_Tran

    Lee_Wang_Tran Newly Registered

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    O it’s been clear, it’s up to a court to go against Trump’s assertion. If Trump’s claim of immunity is incorrect, then a court will look at precedent and rule as such.

    everyone in the administration has said that if it the judicial branch overrules White House counsel, they will comply.

    the Democrats instead of getting the courts to do that, which according to you it’s a 100 percent locked in case, is trying to get the senate to also issue subpoenas, are they stupid?
     
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    Lee_Wang_Tran, Dec 23, 2019
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  2. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Then you should have no problem getting the judge to compel him. Until he's compelled, you can pound sand.
     
    squidward, Dec 23, 2019
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    This goes over their heads.
    Well actually not. They're preaching to their wokesters. They don't expect anyone else to buy that crap
     
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    squidward, Dec 23, 2019
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  4. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

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    No thank you. I would rather impeach him.
    But I'll play your game for one more round.
    Obstruction is a felony and includes jail time.
    If the Dems kick back and let it run thru the courts and Trump loses... We can lock him up for 5 years?
     
    ronv, Dec 23, 2019
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    see post #13.
     
    btthegreat, Dec 23, 2019
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    Good.
    Then you'll get laughed at
     
    squidward, Dec 23, 2019
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    It means there is always at least two legislative purposes to any subpoena'd witness or document. Those subpoenas will be enforced. Heck we still have obstruction of justice without any additional testimony, just sitting gathering dust in Schiff's desk drawer.
     
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  8. Lee_Wang_Tran

    Lee_Wang_Tran Newly Registered

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    If a judge finds Trump guilty of a criminal offense, then what he gets sentenced, he gets sentenced.

    I find it hilarious you’d rather impeach then get a court order to have all the witnesses you want and then impeach
     
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    Lee_Wang_Tran, Dec 23, 2019
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    ronv Well-Known Member

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    You know what they say. "He who laughs last laughs longest."
    I'll be laughing last. Thank you.
     
    ronv, Dec 23, 2019
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    ronv Well-Known Member

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    I can do both.
     
    ronv, Dec 23, 2019
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  11. Lee_Wang_Tran

    Lee_Wang_Tran Newly Registered

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    So you want to impeach without witnesses and then impeach again with witnesses huh?

    I’m sure non Democrats are gonna be thrived with Democrats bringing impeachment again on the same charges cause they didn’t have witnesses the first time.
     
    Lee_Wang_Tran, Dec 23, 2019
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    ronv Well-Known Member

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    Sure. Or maybe some new ones left over from Mueller. Don McGahn is my favorite.
     
    ronv, Dec 23, 2019
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    And yet Pelosi is holding back from sending it to the Senate. Where is your concern about the bold now? hmm? Do you support Pelosi holding onto the articles for as long as it takes to get those others to testify? Do you know that it will still have to go through the courts? And did you know that the Dems haven't even bothered taking those subpoenas to the courts which means if the Senate does they will have to start from the beginning? Meaning all that the Dems did by not bringing those to the court is that they have made the delay even longer.
     
    Kal'Stang, Dec 23, 2019
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    Because constitutionally the House has the "sole power of impeachment." They don't need to go to the Judiciary. And, his failure to comply and to provide documents and witnesses is one element of their Obstruction of Congress article of impeachment.
     
    stone6, Dec 23, 2019
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    "sole power to impeach" does not mean or imply that the House has "unlimited power".
     
    Dayton3, Dec 23, 2019
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    Far as I know all subpoenas requested are still pending in the courts.
     
    ronv, Dec 23, 2019
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    Yeah...it pretty much does, in regard to the impeachment process. What power don't you think they have, which they're exercising?
     
    stone6, Dec 23, 2019
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    Still not aware of the separation of powers eh?
     
    Hoosier8, Dec 23, 2019
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    Giggles. Have fun
     
    squidward, Dec 23, 2019
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    They don't have the power to ignore the judiciary on issues like subpoenas
     
    Dayton3, Dec 23, 2019
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    I find it hilarious that you don't realize he can legally ignore you until you have a judge compel him
     
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  22. Lee_Wang_Tran

    Lee_Wang_Tran Newly Registered

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    So everything Congress does under impeachment is legal? Lol

    so congress had the power to do anything and everything under impeachment huh?

    They can subpoena every and anyone as long as it’s an impeachment investment?
     
    Lee_Wang_Tran, Dec 23, 2019
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    It's a settled issue. Subpoenaed witnesses must answer the subpoena and appear. They do NOT, however, lose their 5th amendment right, or "executive privilege," provided there is a valid reason not to answer a specific question. There is no legitimate blanket protection based on executive privilege.
     
    stone6, Dec 23, 2019
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    They have wide subpoena authority and it's a settled issue before the Court. What's an "impeachment investment?"
     
    stone6, Dec 23, 2019
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    LOL....you guys already have with Clinton.

    Clinton was not impeached for ANYTHING regarding White Water, and that was the real impetus of the Republican hunt.
     
    Lucifer, Dec 23, 2019
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