Why do Christians ignore the atrocities of the Old Testament?

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  1. dairyair

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    Time supposedly stops at the speed of light, right?
    Although mass becomes to great to reach it.
     
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    Perception of time stops at the speed of light because at the speed of light you cease to be something that perceives.
     
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    We don't have the original manuscripts. They don't exist.
     
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    Not as I understand it. If you travel out at the speed of light, or a close as 1 could get, for 1 light year and back. You'd have aged about 2 yrs while earth would be millenia older.
     
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    :D who is we?

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    As i understand it, if you achieved the speed of light you'd also achieve infinite mass. This seems as if it would interfere with perception, for everyone. :D
     
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    That has to do with the effect of mass and gravity. And you did say at the speed of light, not close to it. At the speed of light you would become light.
     
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    There is no original manuscript. There were many oral traditions. Many different authors, many centuries.

    "Scripture" as it exists in say, the KJV does have many statements contrary to fact.

    I find it puzzling and a bit disturbing that a person can flatly state otherwise.
     
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    Good question. You find for me something written by anyone who wishes to try to disprove ToE or geological time, and I will show you what it means to distort something.

    All such claims are based on one or more of the following:
    -plain fabrication
    -misrepresentation
    -distortion
    -half truths

    Show me a claim from a "creation geologist" or anyone who thinks they know what is wrong with ToE and you shall receive your answer, in full.

    You'd have to go to some place like the "Chunking Mansions" in Kowloon to find more dishonest people per square foot
    than you'd find in a creationist website.
     
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    Considering the importance of time to any number of scientific equations that our civilization benefits from each and every day, I'm afraid you are going to have to substantiate that claim.

    Sounds more like a philosophical perspective than a scientific one. In which case debate is moot.
     
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    What you reveal here is that you have a problem with authority. That's why you assume God's anger has something in common with that expressed by the overwhelming majority of mortals when their children misbehave, when in fact the latter is a perverted facsimile of the former.
     
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    that is also wrong.
    Peception of time stops for an outside observer, for those travelling at that speed, time is a constant.
     
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    Are you kidding me? his children misbehave so he hangs original sin on them, he MURDERS millions because his children are misbehaving? No wonder the bible tells parents to kill mishbehaving children.

    I do agree that I have one helluva problem with that kind of authority. Particularly when he is supposedly solely responsible.
    Apparently he knew he was going to do that to his little "ant farm". Disgusting, vengeful and petty behaviour for the supposed creator of the universe.
     
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    No, they hang sin on themselves.

    Prove it.
     
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    Since he knew exactly what was to transpire, he essentially fixed the deck. He knew that A&E would eat the apple. He knew he was going to condemn "his" creations to eternal damnation.

    funny, i thought it says so in that bible of yours. You know the mythical global flood he unleashed on an unsuspecting earth?
     
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    No, He knew they were going to condemn themselves, and He'd have been just as pleased as punch if they hadn't.

    You thought wrong, obviously.

    You think I wrote it?

    What's that got to do with murder?
     
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    And here is the theist excuse, God can't murder because he created us.
     
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    There are units of measurement by which we measure a given amount of time, but the fact that the earth is constant in its rotation says time is not just mere perception. Now we may perceive time to be different, but as I've said about other things before, perception doesn't equal reality.

    So are you saying no scientist operate with a preconceived notion?

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    so If they can distort their findings by misinterpreting them, couldn't the same be said for other geologist?
     
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    And I definitely see that. you get into the infinite regress.

    And at that point I just believe that there has to be something not within the time space continuum to "create" this whole universe, of which I have absolutely no proof,
     
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    you know what I mean by canon. the canon of scripture.
    Where does it say biblical scholars are supposed to be infallible?
    I believe the original translation to be inerrant.

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    Which one do you believe to be true, we don't have them or they don't exist?
     
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    there is no original manuscript, or we don't possess them? Yes, there were many oral traditions, however at some point they were written down. And yes many different authors, and centuries, as well as a vast difference between occupation of those authors, and on different continents, and it is still reliable. What statements does it contain that are contrary to fact?
     
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    I still don't understand what you think they have to gain by being dishonest.
     
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