Why do Christians say the OT doesn't count, but then talk about the ten commandments?

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  1. AKR

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    Moses spouts of tons and tons of different commandments, but Christian choose ten of them, and ignore all of the other crazy ones (let's face it, they tend to ignore a lot of the 10 as well) and say they don't count anymore. How does that work?
     
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    I would guess the religious stories were easier to believe when only the priests had a copy of the story, when people actually read the book cover to cover, they definite leave with much doubt
     
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    I don't have any problem to activate some old "crazy" rules again. What a about if debts from individuals are not existing any longer after 7 years? What about if in general all public debts will be forgiven every 7*7=49 years? But on the other side the prophet Jonathan Swift teaches me: If all human beings on planet earth would like to change their economy systems so this would stabalize our crazy views today on a not really existing endless economy, then some idiots (=all mankind) would start world wide wars because it should be 6*6 or 8*8 years or no one should do so or everyone should do so.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVWLd-dQVGY
     
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    Because Jesus? in his infinite wisdom said "He who is without sin cast the first stone" when a mob was about to stone someone for some reason. Now Christians can pick and choose when and why their practices change
     
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    Wrong thread?

    What about stonings?

    Jesus also said that he was not there to abolish the laws. And he never said, "hey, follow these 10 but ignore the rest."
     
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    Only complete planets would be heavy enough to move the thoughts of the new supermodern antichristian atheists - so we decided to be against every form of death penalty including mind- and spiritless conversations.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bc7KDyLV80
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    interesting, so any Cristian throwing stones is really saying they believe they themselves are sin free
     
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    The Bible(S) have been cherry picked from the beginning....why stop now.

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    The Bible(S) have been cherry picked from the beginning....why stop now.
     
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    "Stoning" never was used from Christians - nevertheless you are right. Indeed all existing "systems of justice" are only a way of sinners to punish sinners. In lots of cases the expression "system of justice" is only another word for injustice. The paradox: We need justice - without justice we drive crazy. But we need also grace and forgiveness.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I-Xwxbm4vs
     
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    Ah, Matthew 5:17....the Achilles Heal of The Bible.
     
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    The 10 commandments are brought up in the Gospels and Jesus never says anything about discarding the. The story in Acts in which Peter is on the rooftop praying, God tells him not to worry about the dietary restraints of the New Testament. This is interpreted as abolishing the dietary restrictions and opening the Church up to the Gentiles.
     
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    The basic idea is that people tend to break Laws, pay the fine when caught or willingly confess every Friday, then consider they have paid their debt to god or society.

    Then they go and repeat the same behaviors again.
    The women show up at the night club, get pregnant, get another abortion, the men knock up another girl, or etc.

    The Law does not stop the sinful behavior, merely records how much of it is being fined or admitted to.

    Jesus said that people need to face that Truth.
    He said he represented the Truth, that people would silence Truth so they could continue this game-like pretense at supposedly being religious about have love for the people or the society that they claim their worship is directed at promoting.
    The Law becomes a curse which lets people ignore the system of things in the actual culture, and avoid changing anything as long as those who get caught are punished in some way.
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    How so...


    Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill, (i.e.; to get people to love God and neighbor).

    Matthew 7:12
    Therefore, all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
     
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    If the all-powerful Jesus didn't hate us so much he'd obviously have cleared this up for us in 2000 years, but he hasn't because he doesn't give a crap about us, or doesn't exist...either way he's not worth worshipping. So Christian continue to look like fools arguing about "what in the hell does Jesus mean by this?"

    Jesus, you are a fraud...just like Zeus, just like Wotan, etc.
     
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    He did clear it up for the 1000 year reign of Universal Christianity so we could see that truth he was telling us about.

    Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones (of Universal Christian authority) and they, (the 144,000 monks of Catholic monasticism: [Rev14:4]), sat upon them, (i.e.; Christianity, as mandated by Emperor Theo I, was the ONLY legal religion in the Empire, after 380AD), and (theocratic) judgment was given unto them (in the days of Catholic Monasticism): and I saw the souls, (the spirit-like psyches or thinking) of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the (one) word of God, (Truth), and which had not worshipped (by participation in the paganistic practices and sexual excesses fueling) the beast (that was Roman Culture, including the economic system which had been based upon selfish self-interest), neither his image (on his coinage), neither had received his mark (of ledgered accounts recorded) upon their foreheads, or in (wages in) their hands (those monks living in moneyless monastic environments);

    and they, (the saints/apostles), lived (as angels in the minds of the Christians who have followed since the appearance of the Gospels in 54AD, i.e., those beheaded saints, in the memories of the congregations who worshipped in churches built upon the bones of their remains)...
    .... and (they) reigned (in Monasticism) with Christ a thousand years, (from 54 AD upon the appearance of the Holy Comforter, until 1054 AD with the first Schism of Greek Orthodoxy).


    ... but he predicted you guys would stop going to church and bring back the old Greek and Roman culture of Homosexuality and straight promiscuous behaviors, destroying the families and peacefulness of the Dark Ages.


    Rev. 20:3 And cast him, (this dragon, the subtle cultural system of exploitative sexual mores, that old serpent, cultural Paganism), into the bottomless pit (of time), and shut him, (Satan), up (1000 years so as to inhibit the culture of libidinal freedom and sexual excess), and set a seal, (THE CROSS), upon him, that he (could not maintain that pagan, astrological/mythological promiscuous religious subculture that) should deceive the nations (in the Western world) no more (with his pagan culture), ...

    ... till the thousand years (of the Dark Age of Monasticism) should be fulfilled (and the Renaissance of the Beast begin):

    and after that, (in The Renaissance), he must be loosed (to open the adolescent subculture of ever increasing sexual permissiveness) a little season (since the end of the singular one Church over all Rome).
     
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    yes, but the Christian god did order it, did he not... I mean if the bible really is the word of a god, then that means part one of the bible is the same god as part II

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    Which fairy tale are you quoting from, as it talks about "Beasts", "dragons", "serpents", "Satan"? Jack and the Beanstalk? Paul Bunyan? I can't tell. If they were metaphors, then they would have explicitly told us that somewhere....I think they REALLY believed this stuff....like Adam being formed from dust of the ground, etc.
     
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    Yes,..
    The OT tells us that God two kinds of men.
    One type was like the sexually prudent Hebrew patriarchs.


    They stoned a few promiscuous women.

    The other was like the Gentiles.
    They abort 1.2 million babies instead.

    Jesus came to tell the Truth, that men and women ought just be more fair with each other and stop all the masculine abuse and feminine sexual exchanges for better treatment and favors.
    That became the alternative called Christianity.
     
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    Home run! Fresh in 2016!
    Their god is immoral, and they can't admit that stonings were wrong, now can they?!
     
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    If your pathetic god is so all-knowing then why would he have approved of "stonings" back then? He sounds not one bit more moral than the barbarian men who wrote the bible......hmmmmmm, maybe they just invented him.

    I'm sure that if, say, DOLPHINS wrote their holy book that god would look like a dolphin ("created in Flippers image", their texts would read!), and that god would have the same exact morality that dolphins have. See how that works?
     
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    If you were a more comprehensive and serious student of what the Bible actually tells us you would have realized that a parable is a metaphor:


    Matthew 13:34
    All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
     
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    I have no idea what you're saying or how this answers my question. You posts are incoherent.
     
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    The Muslims today prefer to stone a few sexually promiscuous girls every year rather than argue amongst themselves like we Americans who simply prefer to abort 1.2 babies instead.

    At issue is the cost to the tax payer for Child Support, on the one hand, and the crime wave from the kids of Single Mothers which is destroying the Nation, as opposed to the hiding away of all the women by Muslims turned mad enough to kill for 72 virgins promised later.

    Jesus recommended the sanity of equality in male/female relationships that outlawed bot divorce and sexual promiscuity.
     
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    Sounds like Jesus does NOT want the Infidels to understand him. That would mean he's likely a supremacist, only concerned with the "believers". But modern Secular Humanism cares about all peoples, as we'd condemn, say, AC Grayling if he wrote a supremacist book....but christians don't have a problem with Jesus being an after-life supremacist, as long as THEY GET TO HEAVEN, hey, screw the hell-bound non-Chritians.
     

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