Why do liberals want to punish hard work and success?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Leftcoastconservative, Dec 15, 2011.

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What makes more sense?

  1. Punish hard working people for their succes with extreme tax rates

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  2. We should institute a fair, flat tax that does not reduce liberty by redistributing wealth

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  1. danboy9787

    danboy9787 New Member

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    Are YOU a nutter too? How can I "prove" my opinion? Its an opinion, I wasnt stating any sort of fact!
     
  2. Subdermal

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    No it wasn't. Capitalism works; people transact every day. Capitalism is what makes Socialism feign 'working', because - without Capitalism - there are no transactions for profit, and - therefore - no motivation to engage in any.

    It's not hard to brainwash someone into believing that makes sense. Which was my point.
     
  3. Montoya

    Montoya Banned

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    Profit has become evil in america, large corporations must be forced to cap their profits.
     
  4. danboy9787

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    capping profits is unconstitutional, just like trying to cap someones wage. You cannot tell people what to do with their daily lives! All we need to do is get the government out of our businesses, then businesses will thrive and competition (the ONLY thing that lowers prices for people) will drive down costs.
     
  5. Jason Bourne

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    Do you favor ending all government regulation of businesses?
     
  6. danboy9787

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    Well I do not know ever single regulation, so obviously not. I think we need the minimum wage and other things that protect workers. I think we need to SOME extent protect the environment, but not to this extreme ass measure they want to now. I would however, end most if not all of Obama's regulations.
     
  7. Montoya

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    capping profits is no way unconstitutional. Show the word for word writing in the constitution that says it. Government needs more regulation of business, we virtually have none!! That is why we are in this mess corporate greed.
     
  8. Jason Bourne

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    Yet you said, "All we need to do is get the government out of our businesses..."

    What regulations of the current administration would you like to see ended?
     
  9. danboy9787

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    I'm not going to sit here and think up of all the ones I would like to see go. I am not sayin the government should completely leave businesses alone. They should ONLY be involved, however, in order to protect human rights.
     
  10. Montoya

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    He doesn't know, none of them do. They just parrot silly right wing talking points. People like him are nothing but sheep who blindly vote against their own interested routinely.
     
  11. danboy9787

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    Go ahead, make assumptions about me. When we elect a GOP President, and he does in one year what Obama can't do in 4, you'll feel pretty silly :)
     
  12. freedom11

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    Because they suck at life themselves?
     
  13. Jason Bourne

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    For that you'll need more government regulation of business rather than less. For starters, requiring healthcare insurance for all employees. Enhancing FDA and Dept. of Agriculture regulation and inspection. More comprehensive SEC and Treasury regulation of the financial industries. And the list goes on.
     
  14. Jason Bourne

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    Hmmm. As I recall the last 8 year run of a GOP President ended in financial chaos and two wars.
     
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    A flat tax, or any tax, still redistributes wealth.

    So the argument is not about redistribution. The argument is about how much, and to where or whom the money is redistributed too., and in what proportion is it divided up.
     
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    The first 8 years of the Bush economy gave us a boom. Check out some of the economy stats starting right after we lost 1 million jobs cause of 9/11 up to January of 2007 when the Democrats gained control of congress. You'll notice that America began to slide once dems took contro of congress in 2007.
     
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    No, market economies work. There is no theoretical reason those market economies have to be capitalistic. Practically there is no alternative at the moment, but it is not capitalism that is better than some other form of property distribution. It is that market based economies that are better than planned economies. Ownership is not the key issue in that equation, the issue is over how goods, services, etc are distributed. That is where socialism has failed so massively in the past(that and in the fact that it is impossible to implement without extreme violence). The fact that rich people with capital own all the stuff(capitalism) is not the reason for success or failure.
     
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    You do realize the disaster we would have if they say capped Microsofts profits, for example. We wouldn't be typing in this forum today if they had done that.
     
  19. Leftcoastconservative

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    Yes, I do. The market will self regulate.
     
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    How naive.
    Like it did in 2008?
     
  21. Leftcoastconservative

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    Remeber when Reagan was president, and the stock market crashed? He allowed it to self regulate, he didn't intervene, and look there was a V shaped recovery!
     
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    Actually, the market correction was an example of free-market self regulation. The problem is that everyone started whining so the government felt the need to step in and get in the way of that regulation.

    Natural market regulation is slow and can be a bit painful, which is why so many people insist that the government must step in and make it all better. Many people just don't have the patience to wait for the market to naturally correct.
     
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    I can't imagine what you are talking about. There were two major Reagan era recessions. The first, early in his presidency got better after Paul volker lowered interest rates and through an aggressive form of military Keynesianism. The second, the savings and loans crisis, involved bank bailouts. Where and when exactly was this intervention free recovery?
     

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