Why do people want a $15.00 minimum wage

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  1. jrr777

    jrr777 Well-Known Member

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    When a minimum wage is raised, it also raises the price of bread, prices in all sorts of categories raise with it. So in actuality it only negates the wage raise. Statistically speaking, there are far less people hired when a minimum wage is increased. So again, why do people want a higher minimum wage?
     
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    They want to be replaced by machines, is my only take away.
     
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    The average supporter of a minimum wage thinks he is protecting workers from poor wages. The theory is that an employer can force someone to work for bad wages and this puts the worker's life in danger. They are trying to protect that worker from the danger in question. That's my take.
     
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    Here's the thing: Imagine you're a poor person in the inner city. Your school was underfunded and your teachers were burnt out, so your education was never that good. There's no industrial jobs available and you aren't aware of any skilled labour apprenticeships because there was never any programs to educate you about them.

    Where do you work?

    You work at whatever menial minimum wage job will take you. And so does everyone else in your situation. Either that, or you sell drugs. And when you're barely scraping by, selling drugs might seem appealing, because at least then you don't have to choose which bill to pay this month.

    A higher minimum wage means that, until inflation catches up, these people have a higher standard of living and their communities can recover.

    Also consider the fact that poor people spend a much larger proportion of their income, whereas the wealthier save. This causes raising minimum wage to have a net benefit.
     
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It also puts people out of work as it drives business to hire less people or simply not do any business at all.

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    Is it better to have one person working at 15 hr or two people at 10?
     
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    Well said, I just wish our leader's would also put it in easy way's to understand.
     
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    I don't know that there is a magic number. It might be $15 an hour or it might be a different number, especially when we have vastly different costs of livings in different areas in the US. A single person working full time, 40 hours a week, should be able to support themselves on a minimum wage salary without the need for government subsidies. On a minimum wage job, a worker should be able to feed, clothe, house themselves, and be able to get back and forth to work. It's not a glamorous life, but it's a dignified, honest living that used to be available to those making minimum wage. It also provided the impetus for improvement by taking on additional work or training in order to be able to move up. As long as we allow people to work full time and still not be able to support themselves on low wages, tax payers are subsidizing business profits to provide food, rent, health care, etc. subsidies.
     
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    Who will hire them for 15 bucks an hour More likely everyone will go out of business like Detroit.

    They may spend a larger proportion of their income but not as much money and not as much money that directly contributes to creating jobs.
     
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    Good luck getting 40 hrs a week since obamacare.
     
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    Some political candidates want to see the minimum wage increase in order to get votes from low-income voters.

    Low-income voters want to see higher minimum wages because they don't know anything about the economics of small businesses. So many will be destined to be laid off when small businesses have to perform the same tasks for higher costs.

    Consumer prices may or may not rise to cover the extra costs because it is the consumer demand that determines prices.

    The politicians win either way.

    Steve
     
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    The solution is to cut the minimum wage in half. Then, provide food stamps and government financial assistance to those who work part time at several jobs, full time and part time for more than one employer, one full time job, or one part time job. This way, the corporate fat cats will pump up the bottom line and their bonuses, right-wingers will be happy that the poor are paid slave wages, and middle income tax payers can foot the bill. Oh, wait, that is what we already do, and cutting minimum wage in half will only make an already bad situation worse.

    Knowing this, we've just stumbled onto what conservatives and neoconservatives would call an almost perfect solution. Slave wage are the good part, but food stamps and financial help from the government reward these low income people for their laziness for only working two or three jobs.

    This right wing logic in inescapable.
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    Hard working people deserve at least a $15.00 minimum wage. They work hard for their money and they deserve it. They aren't sitting at home waiting for a welfare check, so, they are entitled to at least a $15.00 minimum wage. If any politician feels differently, he or she should flip burgers at a McDonald's one day and I am sure that politician will change his/her stand on the issue.
     
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    Because there's always some places that raise their bread price after everyone else. You go buy from them.
     
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    No. Giving the poorest more money means they will spend them. The added economic activity creates growth in sales and it creates more jobs. It is quite logical.

    It is actually much better to diminish working hours as it creates more jobs. If you have one person working 60 hours and change that so he works 30 hours for the same money you have two jobs with a living wage.
    There is no working poor in Scandinavia. They work less and get paid more. They all contribute.

    The thing is. Having rich people does not help the economy, It is better to have a million well paid people than one millionaire. The community, the state and the economy benefits from having a million well paid people than one rich person.
    It is not even something that takes too much reasoning to understand so I don't understand why it is still so hard for you.
     
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    Says the guy who dodged the question.
    A million people who have one dollar are still poor and cannot employ anyone, 1 millionaire can employ others and start a business that keeps people employed. You see its not hard for me because I am correct and you aren't. Can you name a poor person that hires people to work for him?
     
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    Why not 20 or 30 or more? There is enough money in the US to make us all millionaires . Why not do that? Spread the wealth.

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    Heck then why even have them work. Lets just give them as much as we can
    Im still waiting to here what constitutes a living wage and is it by the hour or what? Should everyone who is employed make at least that no matter how much they work? Shouldnt the unemployed also deserve a living wage?
     
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    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I answered the only question you asked.
    Raising the wage won't give people one more dollar. Depending on the raise we are talking about hundreds of dollars a month. Hundreds of dollars that will be spent since people on that wage need stuff and will spend those hundreds of dollars.
     
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    No you answered your question not mine. Answer it or get on your merry way.
     
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    Where are these hundreds of dollars coming from. Many of these jobs are in the restaurant business where it like 30% of their budget goes to labor. This is fixed and can not be changed without sacrificing another part of the business meaning either they fire people or reduce their hours.

    Watch Bar rescue some day
     
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    Why not give the guy at burger king 6 figures? This concept confuses them. Watch, they think that is silly.
     
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    That will happen in due time no matter what.
     
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    Cause they're either stupid or crooked.

    One thing lost in this 'debate' is that the unions are pushing this more then the workers. The unions will benefit much more then the workers and are paying many of these protestors.
     
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    Life in danger? Try a different take, or explain how low wages puts a workers life in danger.
     
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    These people have never worked on the business end of lemonade stand or else they would know what you are saying. They believe even small business owners are sitting on their 50th floor corner office window lighting cigars with hundred dollar bills while drinking scotch looking out the window going "muahahahhahaha"
    They literally cant understand the concept that most businesses are barely making it as it is.
     
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    Why not address my points about a good wage creating more jobs? Or that having two jobs of 30 hours is better than one of 60?
    There are no working poor in Scandinavia. They don't need food stamps when they work.
    Yes. Unemployed do deserve a living wage. Are you a sick person who wants to see people starve? People with no work usually get an apartment and money enough to live without hunger in Scandinavia.
    A living wage depends on your state and cost of living. Instead of asking the question why not try to figure it out yourself? Make the math. How much does a person need to eat, live and have a decent life in a month? Or are you yourself so rich that these things were never and issue for you?
    I have been lucky and I have had a good life so far. But I can still make the math of how much it would cost to have a decent life where I am. I could do it in a few minutes.
    Do you ever make an effort to do anything?

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