Why do white Americans have to pander to blacks?

The very fact that these words exist and can be put in dictionaries or explained to anyone necessitates that they be ok to write/say in some context.

 

I am not familiar with how Obama used it. But yes, I am fine with it's use if it is not used as a slur. And even if it is used as a slur, then it is a mean thing to say, but I would not ban it.

I am for freer speech than that.

 

that is fine, I support all or none, but I prefer none, what I do not support is racism and deciding based on the color of one's skin

even this site bans the word

Obama's n-word quote will never make it into our children's history books either

 

And I see no reason why it should. Unless it was somehow important and noteworthy.

 

a President using the n-word is noteworthy imo

 

Why? He probably has said all sorts of different taboo words. I bet he has said the F word too and probably the C word.

* - Note that I am speaking in code here for these words only because of board rules. Were it up to me I would freely use the actual words in this context.

 

most of us know why

 

I suppose if that 'attack' is pervasive over a period of time, and repeated over and over, you could show the kind of racial animus that is a prerequisite for hate speech, but I don't know why you single out the phrase 'white privilege' for special attention.

 

As a side note, I think society would benefit greatly from more focus on the cores of prejudice and authoritarianism without their racial, ethnic or other covers.

It amazes me that back people can be homophobic and that gay people can be racist without recognizing they are making the same root prejudice error.

Same goes for woke people who speak of "white" people or "men" as if they are all the same and interchangeable.

 

it's already happening

 

Racist trolls are easily ignored.

 

This is all way to vague for me. Race based 'hate speech' involves an intent based on racial animus - and that intent is an attribute of specific people. Can you give me some examples of these racist people who are engaged in 'hate speech' and who have used the phrase 'white privilege' ? Let's be clear about who you are accusing.

 

happens way too often, not gonna go searching for it - anytime you see someone say something about white privilege for a successful white person, they are a racist

same as someone that talks about black privilege for a successful black person

 

What makes you think there wasn't a wide variety of skin color at that time?

I would suggest that movies about that period include actors with whiter skin tones than would be historically accurate.

 

I don't see this as being a discussion concerning the search for context where certain words might be used legitimately.

One can always imagine the study of a word in an environment perhaps somewhat similar to that of a biologist studying an ebola virus.

 

Maybe 'hate speech' to you means speech you hate in a context you hate.
Otherwise, aren't you just weaponizing the phrase 'hate speech' as a some penalty label to glue on everyone who discusses' white privilege' as an aspect of white success in this country? Where is the evidence of the 'hate' in the speech other than the fact someone chose to discuss 'white privilege' ? It appears as though you don't require any further evidence of hatred or animus except its use in a context you find especially offensive.

I am a hell of a lot more careful before I throw around labels like that. I want to know somebody I accuse of 'hate speech' is actually a racist bigot who trying to promote racial bigotry or instigate racial divisions with that speech.

Your refusal to name such a person and circumstance, is telling me you don't want to have to back this accusation up.

 

What you posted did not include the "hate speech" phrase even ONCE.

Yet, it touched off in you a defense of those who clearly exhibit racisms. And, there is NO possible way to defend racism.

You need to actively reject racism.

 

This may be a huge misunderstanding..
I will ask you to start with post # 83 and read through this brief discussion. Once you have, I will at least know that you have the context in mind. I can see a myriad of contexts in which someone could discuss 'white privilege' or 'black privilege' in association with someone's apparent success without it being an example of 'hate speech'. Matter of fact I would submit in most circumstances the user does not have the intent needed to be engaging in hate speech.

 

nope, it means hate speech against a race just because of their race, maybe that is not what it means to you

 

That's a fictional story anyway.

And there were Africans in ancient Greek armies.

 

Anyone who panders is just as racist as those who discriminate. They are both racist. They will always be with us. They both offer an air of "superiority" in their own way. Though humans are not perfect, they should ascribe to the view that skin pigmentation makes no difference......we are human.

 

Let's try this way.
"hate speech"
noun
Legal Definition of hate speech
: speech that is intended to insult, offend, or intimidate a person because of some trait (as race, religion, sexual orientation, national origin, or disability) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hate speech

"...White privilege" is the implicit or systemic advantages that people who are deemed white have relative to people who are not deemed white. Not having to experience suspicion and other adverse reactions to one's race is also often termed a type of white privilege." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege#Definition

"Attack" criticize or oppose fiercely and publicly. https://www.bing.com/search?q=attac...dge.0.0l9.8599j0j4&FORM=ANAB01&DAF1=1&PC=HCTS

These are the definitions I use when I look at this. I do not see 'hate speech' as any speech which has the affect of insulting, offending or intimidating 'just because of someone's race'. that's just old fashioned bigoted speech. I think there has to be that intent, that animus or 'hate' behind it, for it to have much meaning.

We have to look at the context of the use of 'white privilege' vis a vis someone's success, and find actual evidence of animus or hate behind it. We can't assume it.

 

saying someone that is successful has white privilege meets that definition, it's an attack, it puts down their success only because they are white

black racists and white racist use this type of hate speech to put the other race down, to play down their successes

 

what? 1. No that's not even their argument. its not 'only because they are white' which suggests racial superiority/ inferiority Its because they are white and happen to live in a majority white culture with vestiges of systemic racism which can provide them a competitive advantage over those with whom they are directly competitive who are not.
2. Its not necessarily an attack on the successful, because it does not yet speak to other innate attributes beyond race that the speaker may see as far more determinative to their success, or even an attack on their success per se because it does not commit them to an assertion that the success wasn't fully deserved regardless.
3. Assuming black and white racists often use this tactic as a way of undermining success or as a put -down, does not mean its a 'tactic' whenever anyone brings up white privilege in the context of white person's success. You are using a subset ( the racists) to reflect on the motives and intent of a full set (those who talk about the impact of white privilege)
4. It's not 'hate speech' even assuming every word you assert is 100% true because there is no expressed animus or requisite intent shown behind it.

You are generalizing too much. Maybe you need to ask more questions before you presume to know what they really think , what they really mean and why they are trying to make the point about white privilege in the context of white success in a predominantly white culture. you might find that they have a very realistic view of how much or how little white privilege plays in the course of someone's career.

 

never said it did, the term white privilege has been turned into a put down, attack on white people, just for being white

same as white racist will say Obama is an affirmative action hire, hired for his black privilege, to play down his success, just because of his skin color