Why do white Americans have to pander to blacks?

Yes. And Obama is a great example of how tokenism can render the competent suspect. He earned his presidency, was by far the best spoken candidate, didn't falsecry racism at all as I could see (unlike Hillary who falsecried sexism to excuse her own unlikability), and yet still some saw him as a token getting the presidency because he is black.

 

agree, but will also add, there was some sexism in there, I remember some on the right attacking Hillary saying she would start wars because she is a woman, as they might have a bad time of the month, then the reporter asked, hasn't it historically been men starting wars throughout history - was a good question as you saw their face, like ummm welll.....

the problem Hillary had is people felt she was being picked for them, even if she had a lot of support (she did get more votes than Trump)

 

Is this supposed to represent your Philosophy, or is it a Religion, with you?

 

Well it is certainly an assertion.
I am not sure whether it is an honest one or a kick-starter.

 

My allusion, was to the chosen forum.

 

I was referring to the thread title.

 

Yes, it was all perfectly encapsulated in "I'm with Her", instead of "She's with Us".

She perfectly embodied establishment entitlement mentality.

 

as did Trump, Trump was all about Trump, but I agree, her msg could have been better

Hillary's biggest mistake was getting in the mud with Trump, Trump supporters did not care if Trump was a pig, the left did care

Biden choose to stay quit and let Trump roll in the mud by himself, and that helped him greatly

 

I don't think you are following me, or else I'm not following you. You quoted me asking the thread's creator if this was his philosophy or his religion. You added on, that it was his assertion. I let you know that the reason I had asked my question, was essentially to say, "Your thread doesn't seem to fit in this forum's category." In other words, I wasn't genuinely speculating about what category this poster would put it in. Therefore, your reply, that you had been referring to the thread title, seems neither here nor there or, as we like to say in the debate forums, non sequitur.

I haven't meant either of these replies to you as criticisms; I'm just saying that I don't see the connection between my post & your response.

 

I’ve lived in many parts of the country and have never felt like blacks have more rights than me. This seems like another example of how politicians and other groups that profit by division spread fear by painting some group different from you as the enemy. Don’t drink the kool-aid. We are all just humans and in this country at least are treated as such the vast majority of the time. The rare case where this appears different are blown way out of proportion, made to appear much more common than they are.

 

It did. But Hillary was a political failure well before Trump came along. She was expected to win over Obama, and lost. Then she lost to Trump when she did get the nomination, and only after some rather shady moves to beat Bernie. She was never going to be a successful presidential candidate. She came across as too self-entitled.

 

Hillary still got more votes in 2016 then Trump.... the looser won

and we know what Trump would say about this

 

Does that mean the tighter lost?

 

it means Trump won via affirmative action for the smaller States

more Americans voted for Hillary then Trump, but Trump still won

 

Oh, you mean according to our electoral system. We didn't change it just for her?

 

yep, that is the way our system works, I will let Trump tell you about it when he thought mistakenly Obama won with less votes

 

And thus hilary lost. Glad we cleared that up.

 

yep, did I say otherwise? Trump won with fewer votes than Hillary, that is the facts, and that is what I stated

 

So to summarize, Trump won and hilary lost. Got it.

 

yep, Trump still won with fewer votes than Hillary, you got it

 

I don't understand this comment.

Women ARE entitled to equality.

And, establishment entitlement is epitomized by Trump, not Hillary.

 

LOL!

 

Nobody said women are not entitled to equality. Hillary was not entitled to the presidency, and she acted like she was, going as far back as Obama's election. Both Hillary and the insiders of the Democrat party pushed it was "her turn", especially when she had her run against Bernie. It was treated as a coronation from day one. Bernie shocked everyone by daring to run against her.

And also, your misplaced comment regarding "women are entitled to equality" seems very apt to Hillary. Unlike Warren or Tulsi, for example, Hillary consistently and constantly blamed her failure on on sexism (and other excuses) rather than acknowledge her own limitations.

It was epitomized by both in different ways. Trump actually managed to successfully present himself as an outsider populist (as did Bernie) in his first election (the one against Hillary), true or not. In the second, not so much.

 

Every presidential candidate acts like they deserve it.

Trump presented himself as God's gift to the entire world, for YEARS before the election, through the election and his administration and today.

And, he still does! He hasn't shown ANY thought of the possibility that he isn't above democracy and the rule of law.

The thing is, in our society we're so prejudiced against women in powerful positions that we see the very act of working toward those goals as a reason they should not be allowed to obtain them.

 

But not that they are entitled to it, as Hillary did. Hillary and her campaign was indignant that Bernie and others dare run against her. There was a lot of screaming about how Bernie must drop out of the race, even though she herself stuck in there longer when running against Obama. She had the Democrat party insiders clearly beside her, and as I wrote above, it was expected to be more of coronation than a primary.

Yes, he did. He is also a special case. He is so far up his own ego it is hilarious. That doesn't address Hillary's extreme self-entitlement though.

Hillary was so bad with this that she actually lost to Donald Trump, and is the only presidential election candidate in the general election that ever did, and likely that ever will.

As true as that may be, it was more of a smokescreen and excuse for HIllary than it was a reality. She used to that much. Many other female candidates face the same issue and don't use it to excuse their own faults as much as she does.