Why do you believe in God ?

Is this your clever way of claiming that's what I do? Where is your proof of that? Or do you not need any to make fascist claims?
Show me where I have said the people who chop off heads and repress women are typical of all of Islam. Show me!

 

There is no lack of self awareness ... It is not me who fails to understand how someone could hold personal religious beliefs that are anti abortion yet not support law banning abortion.

You claim to have "lest restrictive views" - OK ... so does this mean you agree that no law should be made restricting abortion in the early term ?

 

Switzerland sits back and lets other nations fight Nazis and Communists knowing other nations will do their dirty work for them.

 

You have a very deluded and sheltered view of life in this country if you think a decision to attack Iraq was made "arbitrarily".
Were you in a coma during the whole protracted debate over the matter?

 

Really?
You've never heard of someone that thinks abortion (as early as possible) in cases of incest, rape and severe deformities are humane and
advisable? I've heard of lots of people holding this view.
Do you really not see how you would like to impose your views on others through law, as you accuse the religious of doing?
Seems ironic, to me.

I probably would but that doesn't mean I endorse the idea of abortion as a means of birth control.
My hope would be the demand for abortions would fall of their own accord and more children would become available to couples who
dearly wish to adopt but face a long, long wait.

 

Where exactly did I mention you in that post? That you took it personally is not my problem.

 

Not if you agree with NARAL and their goals. Not so much if claim to be a strong Catholic who doesn't approve of abortion (like good old
"Middle Class" Joe Biden).

 

So you cannot substantiate your bogus allegation.

Got it!

 

Really!
You didn't specifically address your comment to me personally and imply I am broad brushing ALL of Islam with my criticisms?

Do you actually expect me to buy this baloney? I don't for a second.

 

Puerile ad homs again?

There was no legitimate or valid basis for the illegal invasion of Iraq. It was pure duplicity in order to control the wealth of oil. That much became obvious only AFTER the illegal invasion turned into a bloody debacle however some of us could see through the lies from the outset.

 

No. You don't get it. You tell me what exactly is "bogus" about my post and let's see who "gets it".

 

All I did was transpose Islam and Christianity in your text and then ask a perfectly straightforward question in order to demonstrate how it applies equally to both religions.

That you are getting bent out of shape about what is 95% your own words says volumes.

 

This is your bogus allegation about Switzerland which has a well known reputation to "opt out of wars" but you cannot substantiate that it has ever given "in to even greater evils".

 

NARAL's goals are to protect rights, those things you don't want women to have.

They do not "promote" abortion and you have no proof they do...

Yes, there ARE people smart enough to know that their personal opinions should not take away other's rights....Biden knows this...some others don't.

 

What are you talking about ? What person am I imposing my views on ?

It has nothing to do with you endorsing the idea. The question is whether or not you feel you have sufficient justification to force your personal belief on others through physical violence (law).

 

Most people are pro choice. They respect the choice of women, you don’t have to be gay to support gay rights. You don’t have to approve of abortion personally to support the rights of other women.

 

I'd bet from quotes like this you've made.

 

People are either stupid and can't see how their statements can be used in the opposite manner in their beliefs.
Or they just flat out want to be ignorant about it.
But if they take it personally, that shows they know they messed up but are to proud to admit they made asinine comments.

 

Are you not aware, that if you don't make laws to limits people's choices, that means you are imposing your views on them. They now get to make a choice that they would not otherwise have, by force of no laws forcing them to make a free choice. Wow, round and round and round. Kinda circular logic.
I can't explain binary thinkers.

 

Either that (which is preposterous fallacious nonsense) or the poster wants to claim that the zygote is a person .. and thus I am imposing my beliefs on the zygote (in which case the Poster will have contradicted previous position).

Either way - a lost cause.

 

No. Not a zygote...and this is the third time I've specifically stated I'm not an absolutist on this issue. So what can we deduce from
your constant misstating of my position? I can't truthfully say without having the mods wipe out my response.

Let's just say your credibility is taking an awful beating by your own hand.

 

Sure. You just have to have total disregard for the innocent human life in the womb.

 

No, you have to have total respect for the rights of women....the same rights you have....innocent or not.


Did you make an exception for rape? Why?

 

I did not misstate your position ... I said either or. Don't blame me for your lack of logic.

Is there another possibility. It is you who is refusing to qualify your claims. You accused me of imposing my views on others through law. What person am I imposing my views on ?

Why have you not answered this question ?

 

Gee! I don't know. Let me take a wild guess here....maybe the people that think the slaughter of human beings in the womb is a moral stain on the nation of the magnitude of slavery. That's all.
And maybe the human beings that are helpless in the womb.
Not zygotes. Actual fully functioning human beings

Is it possible you are oblivious to the obverse of your question?
I mean, can someone possibly be that unaware. It seems like you have decided that in the abortion issue there is only one side that is in danger of having someone else's views and morals pushed onto them.
So when I talked of utter irony and a lack of self awareness you still seem completely out of touch.

When abolitionists were battling with slave owners did you worry and fear that abolitionists would impose their views and moral codes on someone else? Just wondering.