Why doesnt god just show himself?

That doesn't make sense. You, I all of humankind is his family via spiritual DNA. So its a fact that God wants a personal relationship with you, but if he is trying to hide his identity from you that wouldn't work..nope it makes no sense when you give it some thought.

God does not show himself for several reasons IMO. But who knows. Our intelligence compared to Gods in a evolutionary scale would be exponentially greater than a bacteria compared to Einstein, we being the bacteria. I think that no comparison is possible really. God is not temporal we are. We can not really understand infinity god created it....

reva

 

What good is having all infinity if you don't use it? The Biblical God supposedly used just a little over 6 days to create everything. Maybe he should have taken a trillion years considering how things have turned out. He would have had time to do it right.

 

God wants a 'personal relationship' with you, yet:

1 - God cannow show himself.
2 - Then why create this whole vast universe, that takes light trillions of years to cross? Sounds like a planet would be enough.

ITs more like you want to have a personal relationship with YOU, and god is nothing more a imaginary friend because YOU cannot handle your own short comings.

 

They have mixed some inner All Father sense they have with ancient stories of the aliens who bred us. And they stand by it no matter what, even though the ancient stories obviously depict the aliens as having personalities and attributes completely unbecoming of some Universal All Father.

I'm open to the idea of some Universal All Father! But seriously, people, Yahowah is described in detail in the Bible and He's no All Father. Just some other type of intelligent lifeform.

 

Why does 'god' even waste his time creating such enormous objects?

I know the obvious answer, but does the theist?

 

To answer the question, he could be retarded - it would explain his religions, that's for sure.

 

God is the author of faith. No man has faith in the one true and living God lest God first gives it to him. Grace is the action by which God places faith in an unbelieving human heart. Human beings exist for two reasons. First that God might show forth his love and mercy and second that God might demonstrate his justice.

If all are saved justice is without force.

If God's mercy could be earned then it would not be mercy but reward.

God sends no one to hell, for that is the natural end for natural man, lest God intervenes to prevent it.

 

Just a few corrections/questions:

1. How does one "author faith"?
2. How does God give people faith - what's the scientific process? You must know if you make such a wild claim.
3. Why would God 'give faith to the heart' when we use our brains to think?
4. Why if God loves us would he make us with the tendency to do great evil?
5. If God believes in justice why does he let the devil "wander the earth"?
6. If God has designed people to naturally go to hell, then he is an abominable creature worthy of being spat on before prayed to.

 

Those who look upon the beauty of creation and don't see God have no excuse.

 

Yes they do. All they need do, when they reach the afterlife, is ask God: God, why are you such a spaz?

 

1. How does one "author faith"?
2. How does God give people faith - what's the scientific process? You must know if you make such a wild claim.
3. Why would God 'give faith to the heart' when we use our brains to think?
4. Why if God loves us would he make us with the tendency to do great evil?
5. If God believes in justice why does he let the devil "wander the earth"?
6. If God has designed people to naturally go to hell, then he is an abominable creature worthy of being spat on before prayed to.

For the moment I will assume you really are that ignorant and will answer your question as if you seriously wanted an answer. I will do this not for your benefit but for the benefit of any nube Christian who might look at this thread and have similar questions himself.
1.'Author of' is same as 'creator of'. I know it is old school terminology but it is an old school argument.

2. MIght as well ask me what the scientific process for putting a book on a shelf is. It is done in exactly the same fashion.

3. This one really made me wonder if your brain actually works or if maybe you are a poorly educated 13 year old. The use of the heart in this manner goes back at least to the ancient Egyptians. IN this case the change of heart (those last three words are a phrase that has existed in the English language and several others for longer than anyone cares to research) is the result of the faith God places within the Christian.

4.He didn't create us that way. We became that way. We became that way because God granted us Freewill. He did this because robots cannot truly love.

5. The devil will not always do so. In fact at the last he will be hell's chief prisoner not it's warden. He wonders about now tempting others to evil. Tempting, by the way, isn't compelling. It simply means that as a general rule satan just gives you an excuse to go do whatever nasty thing was already in your mind to do in the first place.

6.He didn't design them that way they became that way.

 

Ok, so how do you know he created faith?

So God comes down to earth and insert an emotion, in the form of a generally rectangular object, into a person's mind? Really? If not then what is this "same fashion" you refer to? If you talk in vague sophistries I'll point them out for the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) they are.

I needed to check it was an expression, especially with the nonsense that is often thrown out here - like that God interacts with us like a guy and a bookshelf!

So God did create us that way by giving us free will. He would have known the result in the design. if not he's a complete idiot. And in knowing the horrific result, he not only went ahead with it, he didnt lift a finger to correct the terrible outcomes. If this is the nature of God, he deserves to be kicked in the ass instead of prayed to.

So God dispenses justice by tempting people? What an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*).

But he designed them such that they COULD become that way.

 

I was not born with it. I have it now. Therefore it came from somewhere else. The somewhere else is God. This is s much like trying to explain green to a man born blind. How do you know He didn't?

1st faith isn't an emotion. It is more on the order of a major attitude adjustment.
2nd God, being omnipotent doesn't have to come to earth, to change anything if He choose not to.
3rd the answer was not vague nor is it sophistry. You are just being obtuse. In fact if you get anymore obtuse you're could break your back bending it at so sharp and angle.

What part of "became' did you not understand?
So according to you justice is evil, Love not worth the trouble, and mercy useless?
You have a guidebook that tells you all you have to do to get into heaven. That you will not do it is scarcely God's fault.

God tempts no one, Satan does. And ninety percent of the time he isn't even necessary humanity being such a willful lot.

See four above.

 

Because faith is the description of a form of belief that you cna do once obtaining enough mental capacity. God had nothing to do with it.

Yes its a state of mind - not a god given ability.

Indeed, and the fact he doesnt shows he is a cruel and evil being.

You have not explained the method by which God "gives people faith."

What part of "became via God's design" did you not understand?

No, God's justice is evil and his love and mercy non-existent.

So I should let parents kill their children who disrespect them? The Bible says to allow such an atrocity.

But God created Satan and allows him to work. God is thus, unjust and evil.

Indeed, God's design was absurdly flawed.

You are denying that God made human's flawed?

 

Faith is simply trusting in God's ability to do what He promised......it is being persuaded the same way one would trust a long time friend is going to do what he told you he is going to do. When you know someone long enough you know if the person is trust worthy or not…..it is the same way with trusting God live up to His word.

 

Faith is not a human derived ability at least not faith in the one true and living God. God inputs faith in a human heart by placing it there just as you or I would place soup in a pot, a book on a shelf, or paint on a fence. The result can be much more powerful however. It is not a state of mind but a change of character.

Satan was not evil at the time he was created he too became that way. In due time he will also recieve what he deserves for the evil he has done. And again you assume by your statement that love, mercy, and justice are evil.

Humans became flawed the moment they became selfish and sought equality with God.

 

How can one have faith if the state of mind is not changed from a state of disbelief? A Change of character cannot take place without a change in the mind......everything starts in the mind and faith is no different.

 

Ha, and you accuse me of cherry picking? Again the teachings of Jesus when taken in context is about love and saving ones soul and the souls of others. Jesus did say that he came to fulfill the law not to eliminate it. However he did change it in so many ways that posting all would exceed the capacity of this server. I will briefly attempt to clarify the mistakes you made. (each of your issues will take lengthy answers and explanations). So brace yourself;

Jesus was a messenger. Hundreds even thousands of years had passed by the time Jesus was sent to teach mankind the new ways and to clarify Gods will and the moral principles God gave to Moses. By Jesus time the (Ten Commandments) had been converted into over six hundred ceremonial rules (I think the number was 617). At that time people thought holy lives, ie salvation could be obtained by obeying all those rules. But some people found loopholes in the mosaic laws so even though they were obeying the rules they still lived wicked and greedy lives (Matthew 23:23-2.

Jesus was saying much recorded in the new testament that God not had intended us to obey the fabricated ceremonial rules of man. Jesus forbid most of the ceremonial laws meant for the Jewish people BUT CONFIRMED ONLY the moral and ethical laws that had been used since the time of Moses. (Matthew 5:17-18, Luke 16:16-17). Jesus said obedience must be from the heart (attitudes and intentions) rather than just technical observance of the letter of the law (Matthew 5:21-22, 27-28, 31-32, 33-34, 38-42, 43-44, etc.).

So I hope can you see where your out of context and cherry picked, either by intention or not knowing your bible scriptures etc led you to the wrong conclusions? If not I will be happy to expand and clarify what I have said. In any case this is getting too long already…I will if we are in agreement answer the rest of your rebuttal later~

reva

 

But it faith is much more than a state of mind. Your state of mind can change with out there being any change of character at all.

 

How do you know this?

Again, how do you know God is the cause?

But did not God create Satan? Furthermore, God allowed Satan to exist even after becoming evil.

That makes no sense. If this is true, why does God allow him to tempt others, ie do evil?

And again you fail to read what I have written - it is God's apparent love, mercy and justice that are evil, because they are contrary to the definitions of love, mercy and justice we humans utilize.

You fail to realize the God made them that way - he created them with the flaw, hence it is ultimately his fault. If he didnt know humans would become this then he is an idiot.

 

Please elaborate on this assertion.

Sure, but it can also change your character as well.

 

We pretend that faith is relegated to the spectrum of religious thought. However, we include it in our daily lives in terms of relationships with other people or other things. We have faith that when we turn the key to the ignition of our cars, it will start. We have faith in our spouse that they are trustworthy and not cheat on us etc. Without such faith, we would not jump in our cars and turn the key. We would not allow our spouse to be alone for one second and end up our slaves etc.

In short, faith is simply a method of dealing with the unknown. We all do it because none of us are all knowing. Without it, we become crippled and could not function. A relationship with God is no different. Faith is the only relationship possible between the finite and infinite.

 

I reject the analogies. No one insists that their car is going to start and that anyone who doesn't believe it will be tortured for all eternity. I've had enough dead batteries and faulty alternators that I know better than to assume my car will start when I turn the key. It is entirely plausible that it might take a lot more than that to get it going.

And you're a fool if you think you can trust a woman for one second.

Thoughtless and careless people have "faith" in those analogies you gave. A prudent person knows his car may not start and knows to keep his ears and eyes open for signs of infidelity. Are you saying that only thoughtless and careless people can have faith in God?

 

In a way, the ignition analogy is accurate. After all, who insists that God do this or that? Even Christ prayed that he be spared the cross if possible. No answer came. Nonetheless, you believe that the car should start. If you did not believe it, then you would be stupid to try.

As for the woman, it sounds like you have trust issues. All I can say is too bad. Not all relationships are as dysfunctional.

 

I simply do not understand the notion of faith. I can never imagine a scenario where I wouldn't consider all possible outcomes as equally valid until the outcome is upon me. I never know what's going to happen with anything.

I have trust issues, I suppose, but not for reasons you'd think. I can't tell you how many wives and girlfriends (of other men) who I have come across alone on the town, and let's just say they didn't act the same as they did when their husbands were around. I can tell you that there were two times when I rejected the advances of a female who I knew was tied to another man... once it was my buddy's girlfriend in high school. I was naive in those days and told her to break up with him first. This girl became my girlfriend shortly after and, as you can predict, this relationship resulted in my arrest and short probation, as I was only a minor then.

Another notable incident happened when I was visiting my old stomping grounds and one of my best friends asked if I would stay home with his wife while he went to work the next day. Behind him, she looked at me with an odd look on her face and licked her lips suggestively. The next day while he was at work, she conspicuously asked me to pop her back for her... when I couldn't get it to pop, she asked me to continue massaging it. We had all been very good friends for years before I had moved away, but this was the first I had seen of them in a while... I'm not sure what was going on in my mind that day, but I began to get a little uncomfortable. I ignored her request for the massage and immediately pulled my phone out to call another buddy of ours over to get out of the situation.

And let me tell you, that is the single greatest regret of my life. That girl was/is drop dead GORGEOUS... absolute KNOCKOUT... no one understood how my buddy landed a gal like that... and there I was... with one of the finest cuts of meat I'd ever seen sitting right in my lap and I chose not to jump on it. I've not made that mistake since and have nailed several brides and girlfriends along the way. Women, in my experience, have been far more likely to cheat than men. This is frightening to me because it is well-known that men have that reputation. But it's false as far as I can tell. Anyone can and will cheat with the opportunity... but women are the ones who can create those opportunities at the drop of a hat. And will. And you probably won't find out about it.

My buddy and this girl were divorced shortly after, she was remarried before I ever made it down again, and I've just always kicked myself for not getting that. Whenever I am down and out, in a bad mood for ANY reason, thoughts of that day flood my mind and all I can think about is that missed opportunity. Worst mistake of my life, and I've made some fine ones. At least we are both still young. I may hit it someday yet.

Point being, don't trust a woman, mainly because old TAG here is likely to be out on the prowl any given night.