100s of embryos are destroyed every year at In-Vitro Fertilization clinics....and yet? "Pro-life" protests in front of them are practically non-existent. Another poser....why don't "pro-life" Republicans when in power at the State or Congressional level....pass restrictions on IVF clinics or try to use "health code" measures to shut them down? Could it be that despite what the "pro-lifers" SAY.....they DON'T consider embryos to be "babies" or even "persons"...if they're created in a petri dish????
Oh, I'm sure they'll venture in with "It's a baby!", "It's murder", "12 week old embryos can sing and talk and do magic tricks!"" "Men should have a say" waaaahhhhhh... ...and never address the OP.
In my opinion, "personhood" as it where is not conferred until an embryo implants in the uterine wall successfully.
So a five day old embryo OUTSIDE the womb (in a dish) isn't a "person"... but a five day old embryo IN a womb...is? What's the difference? Location? - - - Updated - - - Oh, sure....5-6 posts in...tops? They'll be wanting to talk about "partial birth abortion" and "women who have abortions, are sluts who want to have all the fun, but don't want to pay for it!" The OP's topic? Oh, they'll RUN from that at top speed.
Implanted embryo's can and will inevitably grow into what we call a "baby". Barring intervention by acts of man or God.
But that didn't answer his questions: """So a five day old embryo OUTSIDE the womb (in a dish) isn't a "person"... but a five day old embryo IN a womb...is?"" Yes, it may grow and then be BORN to be a baby but it isn't inevitable.
So "uterine implantation" is the defining quality of "personhood"? Not "fertilization" or "conception"? - - - Updated - - - Consider this ... Embryo A is created at an IVF clinic....it is "not a person". Embryo B is created in a Fallopian tube, then implants in the uterine wall....it is "a person".... but then a doctor takes Embryo A and implants it in a uterus...and it magically becomes "a person".
For the same reason they agree with cutting everything that would help poor babies...they only care when it is in a woman.
So the quality of "personhood" ONLY is acquired.....by becoming a parasitic element of the woman's uterine wall. It is NOT a "person" if it is outside of the uterus? - - - Updated - - - It DOES seem to play to the misogynist argument...doesn't it? They don't have any problem with a clinician with a petri dish destroying DOZENS of embryoes..... but they want to make DAMN SURE that a woman doesn't do it with ONE inside her own body.
The decision where to draw the line when a human life starts is irreducibly arbitrary, as you have demonstrated. You can't consistently maintain it begins at conception without prohibiting the destruction of BirdsEye Frozen Embryos. Nor can you state it begins at birth. Birth is not an instantaneous event, and the physical differences between a fetus at -1 minute and +1 minute are minimal.
Isn't that largely a myth? And grossly offensive in the extreme? You can only oppose abortion if you support massive welfare and public assistance programs at the same time?
Seriously....this is what I typed: This is what you say I typed....exactly: Either you cannot read, or are simply lying.
Then what did you mean by the following words? For the same reason they agree with cutting everything that would help poor babies
It was commentary on the link between conservative political actions and the conservative mindset of the Pro-Life movement. It is also completely different rather than "Exactly" what you implied or typed.
Person hood is a red herring as far as abortion is concerned, it really is irrelevant what the unborn "are", what they "do" is far more important.
Absolutely not, what should be supported is the methods that help reduce unwanted pregnancies and as a result reduce abortions, in the first place, such as mandatory comprehensive sex education in schools (age appropriate) and free at source contraception of ALL types. What so many of the pro-lifers who also fight against comprehensive sex education and free at source contraception don't realise is that the cost incurred by supplying an IUD is less over it's lifetime than supplying condoms for the same time period.
they have tried, if they aver outlaw abortion, IVF and birth control will be next on their ban list .
Yup, I support elementary education for all kids. Yup, if women are forced to give birth and can't afford the kid then the government should get BIGGER and support those precious children's lives...
Not much...not like the protests at abortion services clinics. IVF clinics are virtually ignored by the "pro-lifers" Clearly showing that it's NOT about "saving the babies"......it's about controlling women.
