Why Hamas attacked Israel on Oct 7?

Why do you keep insisting on that? Of course it can (and is) used to help guide behavior. But it's ONE factor. You have simply discarded the others.

That is not the question. The question is what should change that would shift the tendency of people becoming terrorists. Religion is not going to change. But killing a future terrorist's parents, children, spouses, ... CAN be avoided. Giving Palestinians a right to their own state can be accomplished. All the OTHER things I mentioned can be changed.

Not only can those be changed. It would stand to reason that changing THOSE would offset any cherry-picked passages from religious writings. But you discarded them from your narrative altogether. And so unceremoniously discarding them is part of the reason why this problem has not been solved already. The solution of this problem STARTS by removing from power those who do this.

Ok. So that means you know very little about Trump. That's ok. This forum can be of help if you're interested in learning. However, it's off-topic here, so I'll just leave it at that.

 

REINING IN ISRAEL

'The Wall Street Journal has a long article about the Biden administration’s efforts to stop Israel from winning a decisive victory over Gaza: The looming Israeli military plans to invade Rafah have exacerbated tensions between Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government and the' Bribed Joe 'administration, which has grown increasingly frustrated with its attempts to rein in Israel’s military campaign.'

Why would anyone listen to the guy who bugged out of Afghanistan and then funded a bloody stalemate in Ukraine?

Why is Bribed Joe trying to save Hamas?

Bribed Joe is losing Michigan by 5 points. Bribed Joe can't win the election if he loses Michigan

With GA, which Trump leads by 7.2 after the GA case against Trump got sucked down a black hole,
Plus NV, which Trump leads by 7
MI, which Trump leads by 4.8, puts Trump in the WH



Bribed Joe needs the pro-Hamas vote to win MI, which is why Bribed Joe is trying to protect Hamas.

'Biden now appears to be trying to draw a line with Israel’s proposed military operation on Rafah.'

'There is no obvious reason why Israel’s operation in Rafah should be seen differently from prior battles in the war. The difference more likely lies in Joe Biden’s political situation.'

 

'The U.S. has communicated that it wouldn’t—under any circumstances—support a plan for a full-scale invasion of Rafah, and that it would prefer to see targeted operations, U.S. officials said. The Biden administration has asked the Israeli military to produce a “credible plan” that included both a military and humanitarian component if it decides to disregard Washington’s advice and invade the city, U.S. officials said.'

Yes, you read that right. The Bribed Demented Asshat thinks they can demand Israel's military plans for Bribed Joe's sign off.

Naturally the Israelis' aren't going to submit to that.

 

'The State Department has launched a probe looking at several Israeli airstrikes in Gaza that killed dozens of civilians and the possible use by Israel of white phosphorus in Lebanon, to determine whether the Israeli military misused American bombs and missiles to kill civilians, U.S. officials told The Wall Street Journal.'

Remember when Bribed Joe wiped out an innocent family in Kabul after a car bomber killed 13 US troops during the Kabul bugout?

'Biden’s senior aides are becoming increasingly worried that his support for Israel’s war in Gaza risks damaging his re-election prospects amid cratering support from young voters. Last week, Biden dispatched a group of foreign policy and political advisers to Michigan on Thursday in an effort to quell growing outrage over deaths in Gaza ahead of Michigan’s Feb. 27 presidential primary. The appeal has taken on a new urgency after Biden’s previous attempts to assuage Muslim and Arab-American supporters have proven insufficient.'

BRIBED DEMENTED JOE NOW RAGING AT BIBI LIKE FANI ON THE THE WITNESS STAND BEING QUESTIONED FOR REGULARLY HUMPING HER SPECIAL COUNSEL AND PAYING HIM WITH ENVELOPES OF UNTRACEABLE CAMPAIGN CASH

'The relationship reached a boiling point later that month, according to U.S. and Israeli officials, when Biden abruptly ended their Christmas-week call following a tense exchange about civilian casualties and, in Washington’s view, the need for Israel to shift to a new phase in its war, focused on targeted operations. Biden, who was so angry that he was almost shouting in the Dec. 28 call, according to officials, declared the conversation “over” and hung up.'

Bribed Joe 'and Netanyahu have fundamentally different objectives: Netanyahu wants to protect his people and ensure the viability of the State of Israel, while' Bribed Joe 'wants to carry Michigan.'

'The last thing Israel should do now is scale down its offensive, switch to small, “targeted” operations, and so on. While the numbers are necessarily imprecise, it seems that over half of Hamas’s fighters are still alive. So Israel’s job is not yet half done.'

Bribed Joe seems to like bloody stalemates. Others doubt that Bribed Joe 'wants Ukraine to defeat Russia, too.'

 

I remember how the oh-don't-you-dare-touch-Palestinian-civilians crowd on this forum shrugged the death of that innocent family as "collateral damage". Hypocrites.

 

Please show me professional research proving your point of view. Until, and unless, I have some meaningful data to look at, I can't agree with your point of view.

Palestinians have so far rejected statehood several times. The two-state solution was born dead.
https://www.camera.org/article/pale...od-three-times-claim-frustration-with-israel/

 

WHAT point of view are you talking about? You actually want me to show "research" that people are unlikely to change their religion?

Clearly you abandoned all pretense of wanting to engage in serious debate.

 

Hopefully a future Palestinian people will recognise the Jewish State's right to exist safely behind secure borders and the disputed territory can be resolved, but, that day is not today.

Israeli Prez to Blinken: Thanks for Your Ten Cents, But We're Gonna Finish Off Hamas, First



Bribed Joe can't win if he can't carry Michigan

 

The Palestinian people will never live in peace with Jews, because the Palestinian people don't really exist.

The Palestinian people are an artificially created nation whose sole purpose is the destruction of the state of Israel. The notions of Palestinian people and Palestinian statehood have been created to undermine Israel and legitimize terror against Israelis and Jews. Palestinians have hijacked social justice movements in Western countries exploiting both existing antisemitism and European countries' thirst for Arab oil (the oil embargoes of the 70s).

 

The future is always uncertain, so I think both hope and despair are rational choices. Today, we are certain that they do not recognise the right of the Jewish state to exist behind secure borders, and Israel has every right to occupy and administer territories used to launch attacks against them.

Realism + Hope is my choice, but, that very likely is not the right choice for everyone.

 

Gaza does spell it out pretty clearly, don't they.

 

you accuse others of not studying history but nothing in this post tells me you have studied any of it at all

do some homework

First read up on history of jews, how they have been the most persecuted people in history, going back thousands of years.

then read up on attempts to strike peace and implemet two state solution. You’ll be shocked to see it was israel who has offered it, palestinians have never wanted it. Why? They are racists and want jews out, yes it is rooted on racism and religious beliefs. Well not sure we can even call in racism as we can say they are all same race.

if you read your history, you will surely change way you think. Israel has offered land and freedoms to palestinians, arabs have rejected it. They simply want jews out..

Start in 1947 when general assempy proposed a two state solution and keep reading all the way to oslo accords in 90s. Read carefully

Israel accepted two state solution back in 40s but arabs never did. You know what arabs did? They invaded israel and attacked them. This is where the cycle of violence begins. When egypt, jordan and others attacked israel and refused to accept two states where borders were drawn, history was set in motion. Israel found itself surrouned by hostile countries who wanted them out, they were forced to wage war for decades.

you claim Palestinians will always be terrorists because most have seen a close friend or family member being killed by jews. No… they are just fanatics who are brainwashed into thinking jews are evil and need to be exterminated. Let me ask you, why is vietnam a close friend of ours now after we did what we did to them in 70s? Japan? We dropped a nuclear bomb on them. They are not muslim extremists, this is the difference. Muslim extremists are a cycle of violence as they mix god with death. When you believe you are waging war against evil jews and killing jews is a gift to god, there is no way to fix that.

What about ISIS? Like hamas they thought they had a good cause, that god had their back. You also sympatheize with ISIS? Yes they are exactly the same as hamas, twisted and fanatical.

israel is a beacon of light in a land full of extremists who have no regard for human life. Hamas kills their own more than they kill jews. They don’t accept jews whereas jews let arabs be part if their government and judicial system. Jews respect women, hamas treats women like second class citizens.

The solution here is take over gaza, west bank, get rid of hamas, just like we dealt with ISIS. Make sure palenstinians have a leader who actually looks after them rather than leaders who seek war with israel, knowing israel will retaliate and then cheer on when israel kills civilians as it makes israel look bad. What kind of sick people use a strategy of making their own suffer to make their enemies look bad?

israel should take full control of every corner, tunnel in gaza.. make sure children are not being taught extremist nonsense and instate leaders who will actually want to live side by side with isreal. It has to be all in at this point, extremists must be crushed.

 

Here is where it all begun. Jews were open to two state solution, arabs? They all attacked israel. The result was. Israel, as a result of winning war, took control of more land. Things were never the same. It all goes to show that the problem is arabs not accepting israel’s right to exist and this has been a constant since 40s. If they had accepted two state solution in 40s instead of waging war on israel, maybe we would have a peaceful region with a palenlstinian anf jewish state.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War

The 1948 Arab–Israeli War, also known as the First Arab–Israeli War, followed the civil war in Mandatory Palestine as the second and final stage of the 1948 Palestine war. It formally began following the end of the British Mandate for Palestine at midnight on 14 May 1948; the Israeli Declaration of Independence had been issued earlier that day, and a military coalition of Arab statesentered the territory of Mandatory Palestinein the morning of 15 May.

The day after the 29 November 1947 adoption of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine – which planned to divide the territory into an Arab state, a Jewish state, and the Special International Regimeencompassing the cities of Jerusalem and Bethlehem – a civil war began. There had been tension and conflict between Arabs, Jews, and the British since the 1917 Balfour Declaration and the 1920 creation of the British Mandate of Palestine. British policies dissatisfied both Arabs and Jews. Arab opposition developed into the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine, while the Jewish opposition developed into the 1944–1947 Jewish insurgency in Palestine.

On 15 May 1948, the civil war transformed into a conflict between Israel and the Arab states following the Israeli Declaration of Independence the previous day. Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, and expeditionary forces from Iraq entered Palestine.[16][17][18][19] The invading forces took control of the Arab areas and immediately attacked Israeli forces and several Jewish settlements.[20][21][22]The 10 months of fighting took place mostly on the territory of the British Mandate and in the Sinai Peninsula and southern Lebanon, interrupted by several truce periods.[23]

As a result of the war, the State of Israel controlled the area that the UN had proposed for the Jewish state, as well as almost 60% of the area proposed for the Arab state,[24] including the Jaffa, Lydda and Ramle area, Upper Galilee, some parts of the Negev and a wide strip along the Tel Aviv–Jerusalem road. Israel also took control of West Jerusalem, which was meant to be part of an international zone for Jerusalem and its environs. Transjordan took control of East Jerusalem and what became known as the West Bank, annexing it the following year. The territory which became the Gaza Stripwas occupied by Egypt.

Over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes in the area that became Israel, marking the beginning of the Palestinian refugee problem,

 

What nonsense you are saying. I have said no such thing. I mean... sure... study history. But don't believe that the answer to EVERYTHING is history and only history.

What I HAVE said is do research. And that might include history. But it also includes understanding what is happening NOW. Don't cherry-pick the parts that confirm your pre-canned assumptions. In fact, don't HAVE pre-canned assumptions. Look at everything (which includes, but it not limited to, history) and let what you learn be the guide.

 

Great job dropping some Truth Bombs!

US Confirms Israel Killed Hamas No. 3, But Bribed Joe, The Guy Who Lost The Afghan War, Calls Rafah Ground Op 'A Mistake'


Why would anyone listen to Bribed Joe's war advice? One of his first acts when he started in Congress over a half century ago was to bug out of Vietnam and abandon our allies. One of his more recent ones, was to bug out of Afghanistan and leave Americans and the citizens of allied nations behind.

He's funding a bloody stalemate in Ukraine and he can't even keep shipping safe from the terrorists in Yemen.

 

Bribed Joe's in an interesting fix in Niger. He mouthed off to the leader and the leader has told him to pack his US military folks up and get the hell out of the country.

US Military Desperately Seeking To Stay In Niger Despite Order To Leave

'Junta leaders have declared US troop presence 'illegal'...'

Great job, Joe.

They say Bribed Joe falsely accused them of something and that he can get the hell and stop overflying the country.

'Over the weekend, Niger's military-led government which is called the National Council for the Safeguard of the Homeland (CNSP) declared US flights over Niger territory to be "illegal".'

With all the lies Bribed Joe has told about Republicans, and all the false charges this demented liar has raised against Conservatives, Catholics, School Board Moms, I find it very believable that the slandering creep falsely accused them of wrongdoing.