Why is black America always protesting but never fixing their culture ?l

Thanks. I do try from time to time; though sometimes I just sling out the ol' bullet points myself. But spring has sprung and while soon it will start getting miserably hot in deep south Texas, here and now it's quite pleasant, and I feel more thoughtful nowadays than combative. Sigh . . . I hate being reasonable!

 

Until a problem is accepted as real, and recognized as a problem to begin with...it cannot be dealt with.

 

Well, we can ALL get angry, frustrated and naturally set in our ways/views.

The more we know that as humans we can be that way, the better we can handle reality.

I'd rather be able to learn something, than just walk around thinking I'm right and know everything; that's for sure. (We can all go there, but it isn't good to stay.)

 

Lord yes.

a 30% white out of wedlock birthrate, and 25% of white children in single parent families. Of course all of the attending social problems apply to kids raised in those circumstances.

 

Easiest arguments to defeat: ones you create yourself.

Well done, Conan.

 

Without question.

The man with the least amount of sight is not the one who is blind, but the one who will not hear.

 

Because after years of slavery - most of them think that all white people are guilty in their problems, that's why they always protest - because they don't wanna admit their(very obvious) mistakes!

 

Some of that is realistic; not much though. Still, you seem to imply that all (most) remaining aspects of White 'culture' are benevolent. And no, Blacks don't "always" protest; that's an exaggeration. Very often many Black Americans are quite tolerant and reasonable as they can be... even amidst the 'continuing' bias and negativity inherent in certain components of (White) American culture. Recent commentary (as much presented/expressed here) and current events tell us earnestly, that White Americans ARE still generating (irrationally so) some horrible social effects. This misguided effort of many Whites to somehow 'distance' themselves from the problems they see in/with Black Americans, is both cowardly AND foolish. It's foolish, because it only exacerbates the generations-old sets of problems MOST all Americans would rather see mitigated.

Denial and willful ignorance are the two worse things I've seen coming from White Americans. It's one thing to not 'know', it is completely another... to pretend that not knowing isn't a problem.

 

"Black" culture is not "leading to black plight."

There is a black plight that individual officers and even police department policies are demonstrably choosing to treat people with black skin differently than citizens with some other color skin. That is a real problem and a concern of everyone with that color skin.

But whatever culture you imagine is causing that unfair treatment isn't caused by everyone with that color skin. Bill Jones didn't cause Dave Williams drug addiction, unemployment, or gang affiliation by having black skin. Bill didn't "self nduce" the problem that caused Bill to be pulled over three times for driving while black.

These arguments are like saying because Ron Howard won't take responsibility for Carrot Tops behavior, Danny Bonaduce's drug addiction, or L. Ron Hubbard's criminal empire that Ron wouldn't have a right to complain if the government we all share started targeting ginger's for random pat downs and extra IRS scrutiny.

It's not a reasonable argument.





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There is a name for those who are quite tolerant and reasonable - successful. Walter Wiliams is tolerant and reasonable so is Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas.

 

also we are in denial about our horrific past, as whites, you said it, whites. i just watched the mandela film and it really opened my eyes to how evil our people have been to other cultures. anyway. forget that, i was just speaking rhetorically.

 

You must have replied to me on accident because this has nothing to do with my response to another poster.

 

Yup. Some of the change has to come out of the black community itself though, but glaringly obvious problems that perpetuate the cycle have to be fixed. Lack of decent schooling, lack of jobs, better family structure etc are all required. I live in an area where blacks are relatively prosperous compared to most cities, and a lot of it is environment.

Regardless of the issue and who is to blame, there are plenty of instances where blacks are mistreated more frequently than whites by police, but colors aside, police brutality has run rampant for everyone and needs to be solved.

I'll give you a few examples.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...ered-to-death-in-custody-Police-lie-in-report
http://rt.com/usa/252877-wpb-dashcam-police-shooting/

The second one got off his bike and began complying.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...illed-by-police-after-he-called-them-for-help
This man called the police for help and they KILLED him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...gun-that-looked-like-a-semi-automatic-pistol/

I guess it's okay now to kill children playing?

I don't give a damn what they're doing, if your life isn't in danger, you shouldn't be shooting people, even if they're running away or being a PITA.

Don't delude yourselves.

 

Black culture will never be fixed until fools like Al Sharpton quits telling blacks they are victims.

Tell me how being black automatically make you a victim. Is Obama a victim?

 

No !

Obama made White, Asian, Latino, and all NOT Black Americans - Victims

Too bad about those Americans stranded in Yemen dependent on Russian good will to get out of a War Zone.
They weren't Black enough.


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Why is black America always protesting but never fixing their culture ?!

Either because they don't think there is a problem.

Or not enough of a problem to warrant fixing or worth the cost or effort of any supposed 'cure.'

Or they can't fix it on their own.

Or they can't agree on what to fix.

Or they can't agree on how to fix it.

Or they lack the means to fix it.

Or they lack confidence in those who might do the fixing.

And where are any studies indicating this fix or fixer can do the job?

And what constitutes success or progress?

 

Yea I know whats ya means. Every time I sees one of them damn racists carrying around one of them confederate flags I yell out "you damn loser liberal" then they's get all mad saying I ain't no dumb liberal I's one of them educated conservatives that knows everything.

 

surrrrrrrrrrrre you do.

 

Well of course I don't. I, like everyone else, knows that only conservatives brandish the Confederate flag. Only conservatives belong to the KKK and only conservatives erect laws to make it more difficult for black people to vote, and it is only racists conservatives that want to send all Hispanics 'back to Mexico' even though many of those Hispanics have lived here longer than those who hate them.

But then for some reason those same conservatives are trying to say that it is the liberals, the liberals who voted to put the first black man in the office of the presidency who are the ones who really hate blacks. Sometimes I can't tell who American conservatives hate more, blacks or liberals. I guess it doesn't matter as apparently conservatism only works if one has others to hate.

 

Most did not. So my statement is sound.

I am also talking about the people of today, not 80 years ago. Talking a generational poverty. Most folks back then were self reliant or they would have never made it. That alone gave them a leg up when they became young adults then and now.

 

Are you claiming that today most folks are less self reliant than those that came before them? Why and how can you make a statement like that? Hmm... self pity and victimization comes to mind. People of the 19th and earlier 20th Centuries had it more difficult as far as that goes. I believe that Ben Franklin said it best about lifting people out of poverty.
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion about the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it". -- Benjamin Franklin

Lessons from a history of thought on poverty | VOX, CEPR's ...
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Aug 13, 2013 - Poverty is in ascendency as a policy issue – but it has not always been that way. ... the 19th and 20th Centuries in reducing absolute poverty is well-known, .... for the next generation of poor families to escape poverty, for good.

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Who's poor in America? 50 years into the 'War on Poverty,' a ...
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Pew Research Center
Jan 13, 2014 - The War on Poverty was arguably the most ambitious domestic policy initiative ... from 19% in 1964 to 15% in 2012 (the most recent year available). .... from the good wages and salaries of the last half of the 20th century. .... I greatly fear this country will crash again and not come back up for a generation.

 

I'm not claiming anything, almost half of the country is dependent on government (AKA tax payer) in one form or another.

I'm not living in poverty, sorry to pop your bubble.

How is this different from what I am saying?

Absolute poverty and relative poverty are two completely different animals. How do I know you already know that?

Again like I said before in 1964, households were made up of one bread winner, and they were able to pay all the bills, put away a little for a rainy day, and put their children through school without the government dependency we see today.

 

My take... This is a type of cultural cycle that keeps being re-enforced through media and the ultimately requires a leap of will-power to break free.
By that I mean,
1. Look at black music videos and the stereotype that they encourage younger generations to aspire towards. Buying things they can't afford. Promoting drugs. Promoting violence. Promoting promiscuity.
2. Then we are confronted with the "baby-momma" phenomenon. Not unique to black culture by any means but a noticeable trait. Children being raised by single parents that might not be in a position to provide the best resources to nurture the child's upbringing. Worse still, a lack of positive male role models for said child to look up to, worse if that role model is supposed to be a father that is not present.
3. The final nail is the complacency or lack of willpower to strive for better. I Know of a guy who was found in a waste receptacle as a toddler and through sheer determination is now successful in their law career. If that is possible, there is no circumstance too dire that a person cannot overcome. The only remaining variable is the perseverance to strive for better. And in a climate of social security welfare and mood of acceptance for the cards that life has dealt, I fear there is not enough motiviation for them to excel.

 

Perhaps you should go straight into the heart of a place like Compton or Detroit, and have a sit down with some of the people who live there. You could help them to come up with productive ways to better their lives. I'll admit, I'm too cowardly to go to a place like that, because I'm worried I'll get beat up for my skin color, so I like to "distance" myself from certain neighborhoods. But you, on the other hand, being a real man, surely you are better than the cowards you mentioned in your post, and could really make a difference!

And please don't tell me you don't want to go there because you think it's dangerous, because that would mean you are stereotyping people and judging them. Oh, and if you say that you don't wanna go because it's a dangerous area, then you are accurately quoting crime statistics, and that means you are a racist.

See you when you get back!

 

ORLY?

Someone should tell Alabama Democrats that only Conservatives brandish the Confederate Flag. Or Howard Dean, who called voters who display confederate flags on their trucks "part of the broad cross section of the Democrat Party". They didn't get your memo.

Or meme.

Whatever.