Why is Obamacare Failing?

Oh hush... it is failing because of conservative wishes. Wishes are more powerful than hope... and you stinky conservatives spent all your powerful wishes on it... and now it's failing.

Bullies.

 

so very true.The reason Obamacare is failing is because BOTH parties are behind it and both are corrupt,there is no difference between the two.

I explained this way back when we were having the elections making a thread that proved it to be true that there is no difference between Obama and Romney,that you might as well be choosing between Hitler and Stalin,thats the way it is EVERYTIME in all our elections,that you were an idiot if you voted for either of those two clowns pointing out FACTS that Romney was one of the first that signed this stupid obamacare package which for anyone not on smoking crack,would then wake up and realise the truth,that its REALLY a ONE PARTY SYSTEM designed to llok like two so the stupid sheople think we have a choice in who gets elected in this corrupt two party system of demopublicans and reprocrats.

but a bunch of idiots here to no surprise,just ignored that fact that romney was one of the first signers to sign it and still said they would go be an idiot and vote for romney instead of writing in ron paul as a write in candidate or gary johnson.falls on death ears on the blind sheep here though.

 

And the Koch brothers money... don't forget that. Money buys bad feelings about Obamacare.

Bless liberal hearts... everybody is being mean to them.

 

there is no such thing as a "perfect" government. The less control the people have over their government, the more power it accumulates to itself. That's what we have today. a waaaaaaay to intrusive government. It is not the government's job to secure some other people's alleged rights over mine. There are no guarantees in life, only one ticket out/
At this stage of the game, the libs want the rest of us to supply them with health care. While there are a few that require it, the lazy indolent types can kiss my ass. They need to get a job and work for the same stuff I've worked for. These are the moochers who sponge off of the system that I'm talking about..
I say first and foremost, the one's receiving MY money need to get a drug test. They fail, they are gone from health care. I have to take a test to give it to them, they and all elected officials need to take a drug test before they can do the job they are elected to do.
If there is nothing mentally or physically wrong with them, they need to get jobs and work for their own (*)(*)(*)(*).
Now that's what I call true government.

 

ahhhhhhhhhh immortality...another lib wet dream

 

if they couldn't afford it before, how are they going to now. 3/4 of the sign-ups are signing up for the free stuff...another burden on the already shrinking middle class. what happens when we go broke? Who's going to pay for it then?

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socialism by any other name is still tyranny.

 

Exactly.

(And I don't want to live in a society with 'weak' or 'virtually zero' government either.)

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Please, stop making up things.

People know better.

The other system was primarily a RIP-OFF. (We surely didn't need more of that.)

 

Whatever. I say we need a good solid DOSE of the same (not "tyranny", but socialist elements properly implemented... to offset/mitigate the influence of laissez-faire capitalists).

 

Obamacare has failed because it is run by idiots.

 

Amen, bro.

 

Couldn't find a factual link to back up your statement, so the best you could do was to type a one liner. Go get em tiger. That's really showing them.

 

Medicaid is part of the ACA and covers the pretty much low income who need the help and its not free participants do have co-pays in Florida for example $1-5 is required for most services so its not FREE just very low cost to use.

 

Did you hear the site went down while Obama was trying to sign up?

Get em tiger is right.

 

So now we know where those millions of dollars went from the koch brothers to sabotage the website. You have to give the brothers credit. Money talks!

 

The Japanese should make a new monster movie. KochBros vs. Mothra.

Staring Nancy Pelosi and Debbie Wasserman Schultz as the tiny little singing ladies.

 

so, those 11(or is it 30 million) can magically afford it at that cost now? It was available before and they didn't buy it. Even at the expanded program, why should I pay for everyone else's insurance?
I'm looking at a cancellation of insurance that I've carried for years( 25 to be exact.) I can reinstate, but the cost went from 149 a month to 300 a month. Screw ACA and anyone else that thinks I must pay for their lazy asses. My prior arrangement was an 80/20 co pay without a major deductible. My new deductible is now 4000 dollars and my copay is 50/50. and my income tax was hit again this year with a 10% increase...screw ya'll and your socialized medicine. (*)(*)(*)(*) the commie deadbeats.

 

prove it was the Koch brothers that destroyed the website......PROVE IT!!!!!! Since you wont be able to, you need to seek a mental health professional and get some serious help with all those conspiracy issues.

 

no government sponsored programs have ever cost less. Thos programs have always doubled over 1 year. No agency in the history of the lib agenda has EVER operated in the black. WTF makes you think this will be any better? some magically little lib elf is going to run this better than the private individual?
What day of the week to I not eat to pay for your healthcare? What day do I not go to work because I have to pay for some deadbeats insurance because I cannot afford to pay for your (*)(*)(*)(*)ing healthcare AND put gas in my car to go to work?

 

Based upon the early results from WA heath care exchange (which hasn't have the problems the federal website has had about 1/3rd of those that will qualify for Obamacare are covered by Medicaid. Of those covered by Medicaid about 1/2 were already "covered" under the non-expansion of Medicaid so it doesn't really relate to "Obamacare" at all. They just hadn't applied before for the benefits they should have already been receiving. Of the 2/3rds that are eligible for subsidized private health insurance they will be paying part of the premiums for that insurance and it is not "free" for them.

With that said I agree that Obamacare targeted the wrong group to fund the government subsidies. It should have targeted the top 1% of income earners that have "unearned" income and pay about 1/2 the tax rates of the working middle class in America. The top 1% of income households have the lowest tax burden relative to income in the United States and as we know, since 2009, they're the ones that are benefiting from the economic growth from the Great Recession of 2008 while middle income households are losing "real wages" in our economy.

Taxation is not socialism and "Obamacare" is funded with taxation.

As I noted though I have a real problem with subsidizing private enterprise so it's my personal opinion that the employers that are profiting from the labor of low income workers should be responsible for funding of their health insurance needs. As noted I proposed that any employer that doesn't provide health insurance for their employees should pay a $1.50/hr tax to subsidize the purchase of private health insurance by the employee. It places the tax burden on the correct person (i.e. the employer that is making a profit on the labor of the person) as opposed to placing that tax burden on the rest of Americans that do not profit from the labor of the employee. It may not be the best solution but it is better than what Obamacare came up with.

 

Can they reduce their employees wages by $1.50 too? If they fire that person because they cant keep up with your new pay decree, will you be paying that person's lost wages since this is your idea, or will you make the laid off worker and society pay for the cost of your decision?

Obamacare is only partially funded by taxation, (not that the rest of your statement is correct, but we will let it slide). The rest comes from collectivization of insurance pools, and control over healthcare companies by the government.

 

This is incorrect, do you realize that almost all of the states contract with private health insurance for their Medicaid population and they pay per individual on Medicaid anywhere from $3700 to $6,000 depending on the state you live in to the insurance company. Now with the ACA, the government will also be paying them the difference from the subsidies for people that qualify. This all is paid for by our taxes.

 

My premium rates have doubled, (I have posted that letter as proof in another thread), I am losing vision and dental at that rate too. How are my higher costs because of risk pooling paid for by taxation? Is the government sending me a check next month I havent heard about, or are the costs being collectivized and paid by me to fund the demands Obama has made on the insurance companies?

Higher taxes, higher collectivized costs, rationed medicine -- Obamacare.

 

Over FIVE million newly enrolled thanks to Obamacare which is succeeding!

Even Republicans are enjoying its coverage:



Georgia GOP Activist Calls Republican Elected Officials Liars On Obamacare


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/1...republican-elected-officials-liars-obamacare/


Clint Murphy Calls Out Republicans.

Former Republican activist Clint Murphy did not miss words. He was frank and on point when he said the following to Savannah Morning News.

It is not surprising that so many Georgians are confused about the reforms of the Affordable Care Act.

It seems almost daily that you have a Republican candidate or elected official is making inaccurate statements or using various stories to fit their narrative of what’s wrong with the law.

As a Rotarian, we repeat a Four Way Test that asks, in part, “Of the things we think, say, or do, is it the truth?” I would submit to you that most of the Republican elected officials and candidates for office cannot answer in the affirmative to that question as it relates to the scare tactics being used to derail the ACA.

Back in August Clint Murphy revealed his story and how he came to the realization that opposition to Obamacare was wrong. Mr. Murphy is a testicular cancer survivor. His home state, Georgia, that does not have a high risk insurance plan for those with preexisting conditions abandoned by private insurance companies.

Clint Murphy was unable to empathize with millions of Americans previous to his own medical battles and his battle with the inhumane treatment by the private insurance system in America. He has however come to sanity. More importantly he is not doing it silently like most of his ilk who keep an anti-Obamacare face even as they quietly use it or advise others to do so.

Clint Murphy must be commended. Mr. Murphy must know that he is accepted unconditionally for seeing the light, for seeing the positive in Obamacare. Others must be encouraged and let into the moral fold. After all, that is the mantra of the left. We believe access to success for all, redemption, and second chances.




CONTRARY TO THE LIES OF THE DELUSIONAL FAR RIGHT, OBAMACARE IS SUCCEEDING!!!



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Its the way it was set up and I at this time get zero benefits from the law save I have now proof from a major Federal agency I'm dirt poor so generally qualify for charity care standing at the hospitals and collections by other parties I owe medical care debts to have more proof coming after me won't do any good so they give up. I can still use the Free Clinic for basic health care and pay my $5 per visit for that. If anything is serious they send me to the hospital with a referral call if they think its a life threatening condition.

And I will get on Medicaid if the state expands it at some point.

And yes I'm a Socialist and what many call a Slacker (Idler) and I don't care I for one hate working and am happy to live on less to work less I find the real world matters you all worry about to much to handle so I simplified my life years ago to a minimum of stress. I found being disabled if I appear to work and try the government and charity are both eager to help me and I can work or not work as much or as little as I want.

If you want my idea to replace Obamacare I would look to the VA maybe a Public Health Service for the low income selecting one go to hospital and medical homes in each county replacing Medicaid. And base using these on ability to pay by annual income check similar to what they are doing for the ACA in theory.

 

subsidized for some and paid for by the rest

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only a liberal would call a program that has hurt more then it has helped a success