Why is Obamacare Failing?

As is the medical insurance cost deductions taken every year for the past half century by elite corporations in the Fortune 500. Ditto for Israel's health care that is paid for by USA taxpayers.

 

Only a delusional who delights at Americans dying every year at a rate of 45,000 per year in a Republican created holocaust will deny that health care reform works.

 

more have lost their health care insurance then has gained it. those are the facts you do the math. 6 million have lost their insurance and only about 1 million have signed up for Obama care that is a loss of 5 million for a program that was supposed to get more insured

 

Horrible planning, no communication with the public - and the mandate needs to be ditched. Just the fine at this point.

 

I would defy anyone to supply a legitimate death certificate that states "Cause of death: no health insurance".

 

Your insurance rates doubled under your employer or what? The premium increases and high deductibles plans as stated by the insurance companies is due to covering people with pre-existing conditions and wellness visits that are now covered. However, I believe it is pure greed.

 

I am an employer, my employees and me are seeing rate increased. Not according to the breakdown listed by blue cross blue shield. Don't you think it is odd every time a state dictated plan goes wrong you lefties blame it on the private market you are dictating to and not your program?

 

Then you should change your nic to slacker. You want all the action and none of the responsibility. Your kind are the target of my ire. Freakin' moocher. You are the reason this country is such a wreck. What happens when I and all the rest of us stop paying taxes to be able to afford our own insurance? You don't care about us, but demand we care about your?
HEY, CONSERVATIVES, MEET THE FACE OF YOUR ENEMY. He admits he wants your wallet, homes, and livelihood. He cares little for you.
Buggar off mate.

 

I think your anger is all the proof I need to reinforce the reality here. Sounds like you are scared to reason it out on your own, for fear of the truth.

 

Look at my Avatar its pretty clear on my opinion of work. I make no demands and I do pay taxes on my income as required for self-employment I just opt not to earn much and use societies biases to my advantage. See its simple there are four truths I've seen over the years:

1. If your disabled and clearly so the bias is people will want to help.

2. If your working disabled and APPEAR to be doing your best people think ,your not, what you would call a Moocher.

3. If you don't drink or do illegal narcotics or smoke (use tobacco) and are poor your respected more than "bums" that do those things.

4. If you meet the above three things the government and private charity, and ordinary people help you since humans seem wired to help those who need help in civilized Western societies. In simple terms as long as I play my cards right I can work less by choice and get tons of help and make everyone feel good about helping me.

So yes I'll take Medicaid if they expand it in Florida, if not I play it so going after me for the money is just not going to work and take all the goodies I can while working just enough to make people content helping me. Its a game and I play it.

 

At least you're honest. It's always been my contention that poor doesn't necessarily mean unhappy. However, that doesn't mean you're still not a 'victim' who needs to be saved in the eyes of liberals.

 

Prove it liar. Did you read that on the Daily Kos or Mother Jones?

Prove the Koch bros. crashed the Obamacare website. I'm waiting.

bwk is your typical liberal liar. Liberals love to lie... it's what they do, it's who they are.

 

A little less hyperbole and melodrama and a little more in the way of a coherent argument might help...

 

Yes it is, and if you illustrate your own position with examples of successful UHC systems they hit you with idiotic counter-arguments about being enslaved by your government, tyrrany and Communism for chrissakes!

My late mother was treated for recurring cancers and twice had major surgery at our best oncological hospital. It ultimately didn't save her but she didn't once have to reach into her pocket.
My grandmother, the same. Developed a condition which led to a lower leg amputation. The operation, the prosthetic limb, orthopaedic care cost nothing. Nothing; no bills, no form-filling, no questions about insurance cover.

Naturally the cost was borne through taxation but the amount we pay is so insignificant in comparison to the very costly private option that it really is a no-brainer. If the same surgeons with the same training are going to treat me through UHC or privately, why would anyone want the private hospital? For steak dinners and flowers in your room?

UHC has been adopted and is standard in every western nation apart from America. What makes America think it knows better, and why are conservatives desperate for it to fail; so they can gloat and say, 'see, told you so', while their already exorbitant healthcare premiums take another upward hike, and that annoying pre-existing condition results in a 'no' from their insurer? The American 'system'? Keep it, you're welcome to cling onto a sinking ship if you want. The rest of the modern world is leaving advanced, forward-looking America in the dust...

 

so you cannot prove your lame-assed claim. No anger here, just a lot of guffaws...........you realize how ignorant that post was?

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ahhhhhhhh, so you do get it you like being a subject

 

WTF are you on about? What's this "subject" crap? Oh, I see, it's your pathetic attempt at humour. Just for your education the royal family have no influence, no power and we have a parliamentary democracy with the Queen as a symbolic head of state in a 'constitutional monarchy'. Look it up; you might learn something for once.

 

anything other than true liberty is slavery unless you're going to prove through some lame-assed reasoning that it's better to be a subject.
Free citizens do not kneel before ANY tyrant whether it is an individual or to the law. Anything that diminishes a person's real liberty is tyranny.

 

They knew all along the youth would never carry this thing,,or even be a substantial part. They had these projections from the Ins companies,,had too. I was in the business this is elementary.
They will just keep raising the middle class and it is not going to stop, the entire thing was one big Lie, Fraud, transfer of wealth. We can only hope the younger generation will not put up with it, seems like they are acknowledging the problem so far. I doubt very much however they realize how far the Government is willing to go.

It's a game of Tag, and to the Government our kids are.................IT!

 

There is "traditional" Medicaid that was already a part of US law not affected by the ACA and then there is "expanded" Medicaid under the ACA. Florida, along with numerous other "Republican" states rejected the expansion of Medicaid (that would have cost the States zero dollars to implement and only 10% in future years) so they won't have any expansion of "Medicaid" under Obamacare... with one possible exception.

In WA where I live we did accept the expansion of Medicaid but based upon our State Insurance Exchange roughly 1/3rd of those that qualify for Medicaid were qualified prior to the expansion but simply hadn't signed up for it. Florida might see a rise in Medicaid but it would be based upon "traditional" Medicaid and would not be due to Obamacare.

 

Uh huh. So explain to me why I am less 'free' than you. I'll wait...

 

I'm a card carrying Libertarian and even for me this is a most absurd statement. It is a statement of anarchy where the tyranny would be far greater than what we experience under the Rule of Law and government. Even the worst dictatorships reflect less tyranny than what the person would be subjected to without government.

 

We will see, hospitals are losing Federal indigent care funding and face reduced Medicare enhancements. In addition if a state fails to do the expansion they will lose out to states that do since the money from all those health care taxes and fines will go elsewhere. And its a LOT of money to say no to when its perfectly affordable.

Here is all states need to do cut funding to indigent care programs and hospitals, county health departments for the poor and if needed a small property tax increase OR sales tax increase and use that to pay the states share later on if many poor get on Medicaid this funding isn't then needed for the former listed areas.

All I know I'm not proven by the Federal Government to be able to qualify for Medicaid under the ACA and am in addition very low income, I go to the hospital and run up a big debt I can't pay it so get charity care status now with more proof. I then use this when doctors and others move to collect and argue I can't pay I make this much and was granted Charity Care status you can try but have nothing to get. So they rarely move for the debt to be collected.

And all that gets passed on to everyone else just like before.

I might be able to get traditional Medicaid but the paperwork is a nightmare for me so never bothered to apply, I don't care really like I said if I get really bad I get care and never had to pay yet.

 

This fails is due to the fact that as of today they only have 2.2 million signed up when they anticipated 3.3 million which is another lie. According to the IRS who is controlling this mandate, there are over 15 million people that earn under 15,000 a year which is the cut off to qualify for Medicaid. States that refused to expand account for those that cannot sign up for Medicaid.

These people also do not qualify for subsidies since they earn to little to qualify so they are caught in this gap. Young people cannot afford the cost of this mandate so they are not signing up as well as many older people. Why our government didn't realize this is beyond me.

According to the Bureau of Statistics, the unemployment picture indicates that almost half of the population in most states between the ages of 18 and 64 are unemployed. What this means is only half of that age group is working and this is alarming. If you are not working and do not have to file a tax return you are exempt from the mandate.

So when all this is through, we will still have millions without insurance, people stuck with higher premiums and deductibles so what did this accomplish?

For one, insurance companies will see increased profits, the stock holders will be happy. Government is controlling our lives now.

 

Actually the ones over the Medicaid expansion cut off can get subsidies, and those under 30 years old are allowed to get a catastrophic plan in my area that is as low as $104 a month but a Bronze Plan for someone making $15000 is free (although not ideal) one has to investigate this in my state insurers did get on board and there is choice. Some states have issues in lack of participating providers.

Further this applies to anyone if the cheapest plan is more than 8% of your income you qualify for a hardship exemption and don't need to get into a health care plan. An example from a post is another thread a family of four earns $100k and the plan would cost $1k a month (cheapest) they are therefore free to opt out.

States didn't exactly help they can do all kinds of things the Federal government can't Vermont is working on a state-run system for example using the Federal funding, which is allowed. California came in and worked with insurers to get costs down. New York did as well. States license medical providers they could easily decide Nurse Practitioners could be Primary Care Providers in private practice I would require they have a Doctorate level to do that but they would be cheaper to train than a doctor who should handle more complex care anyway. They can do tort reform. And so forth.