Why Nikki Haley?

I get the impression that democrats want Nikki Haley to beat Trump in the GOP primaries. I don't understand why. Polling shows Haley has a much better chance of beating Biden than Trump. Why are you hoping for a candidate that will likely beat you? Is it because you hate or fear Trump that much that you would rather lose than run against someone you have a much better chance at beating.

 

Because we put the country's interest before our partisan interests. A Trump presidency would be devastating to our Democracy.

Winning elections is wonderful. But not at the cost of risking to lose our democracy by putting a criminal dictator wannabe at the top.

Nikki would be a horrible President. But she would be a normal President who would give up the Office to whoever comes next without attempting an insurrection. Trump would not!

 

Because Trump voters are less likely to transition to Haley and vote for her is the main reason, IMO. Also they can go after her like they did McCain and Romney and Haley doesn't know how to hit back like Donald Trump. Just my opinion

 

So, you're saying she doesn't know how to lie like Trump when you say "hit back".
Good for her.

 

a Trump presidency might mean more good justices that are going to stop the creeping crud of collectivism and gun bans.

 

Whenever we see something start with "So you're saying" on this forum, you can guarantee what comes next will be pure ****.

So no, that's not what was said.

 

When endorsing Hillary Clinton for President in 2016, PJ O'Rourke a CONSERVATIVE humorist/columnist said the following

"I have a little announcement to make ... I'm voting for Hillary. I am endorsing Hillary," noted conservative author P.J. O'Rourke said on NPR's Wait Wait ... Don't Tell Me. The episode aired over the weekend.

If the Clinton campaign wants to tout O'Rourke's support as it tries to woo moderate Republicans who supported Jeb Bush and George W. Bush, it might want to end the quote there.

"I am endorsing Hillary, and all her lies and all her empty promises," O'Rourke continued. "It's the second-worst thing that can happen to this country, but she's way behind in second place. She's wrong about absolutely everything, but she's wrong within normal parameters."

 

There is a lot of truth to that but you have to weigh it against all of the ex-republicans and independents that would return to the party if Haley was in charge. Would the number of MAGA that will stay at home out weigh the voters you pull from Biden. I don't think MAGA voters who won't support Haley will vote for Biden but many voters who won't vote for Trump but did for Biden would switch back.

 

Thanks for that reply. I can see where you are coming from but from my perspective it is based of fear of what Trump may do. Again there can be some truth in it.

 

I think Haley would pick the same type justices. Trump picked from a short list given to him by conservative advisors. I am pretty sure Trump did not research the career of potential candidates.

 

I agree with that. the Federalist society was started by five students -four of whom I know well and one was a suite mate with me at Yale.

 

Well.... yeah. It's EXACTLY fear of what Trump may do. That's what I said. Specifically fear that what he may do is destroy our democracy and become a dictator. Even attempting to become a dictator would be very very bad for the country. Much worse than it was last time he tried that.

Other than that, he's not going to "do" much else. Pretty much like last time: More tax cuts for his billionaire donors, and destroy the country's economy again. But Biden recovered us once, so somebody else can do it again. However, not if Trump finally succeeds in destroying our democratic system.

 

I think , but purely my opinion, the typical MAGA voter is less likely to come out for a non-MAGA candidate than a basic republican is willing to stay home instead of voting for a MAGA candidate. I think a lot of republicans lie or pretend like they won't vote for Donald trump, but then end up voting for Donald trump anyways. People forget that even though Trump lost in 2020, he got the 2nd most votes as a candidate EVER.

 

I voted for Trump in 2016 but not in 2020. I know many people that did the same thing and we fall more under the group of ex-republicans. I think the gain in independents would even be greater.

 

And Biden got the MOST of any candidate ever. And a large portion of those (the majority?) weren't FOR Biden, but AGAINST Trump.

I agree with your analysis. I do think that most Republicans who have been with Nikki or DeSantis will end up voting for Trump. And, for the same reasons, anti-Trumpers will also end up voting for Biden and AGAINST Trump again. Except now there are even MORE reasons to vote against Trump than there were in 2020: abortion, the insurrection, criminal indictments and convictions, sexual abuse adjudicated in courts, good numbers on the economy,...and many more. In favor of Trump NOTHING has changed. So, at best, he can expect to receive the same number of votes. While Biden can expect an increase.

 

So what does "hit back like Trump" mean? What is your opinion on what that means.

 

Democrats made that mistake in 2016, to build up Trump because they thought he'd be easier to beat. They should not make this mistake again, for the better of the country.

 

Could be right, I am no expert at the end of the day.

 

I don't think Biden can expect an increase. I think both old farts can expect a decrease. The majority of people don't want Trump and the majority of people don't want Biden. They would both go into 2025 as lame ducks in addition to being lame choices. I still think people will just stay home given a choice between the two mentally deficient individuals. I might just be one of them. Trump will spend those 4 years in court and Biden will probably die and no one wants Kamala to assume the throne.

 

Very well could be the case. Problem with that, IMO, is the Biden presidency hasn't been the best. I think if lets say you replaced Biden with Newsome or another younger fresh candidate, you would see Trump lose HUGE in November. But I think Biden will suffer a lower voter turn out and I don't know if Trump will have the same problem. It's all speculation at the end of the day. I also think people will be surprised at how much Trump gains with black and brown voters. But , again, just my opinion.

 

I don't agree. However, come November there will be far more reasons for Trump to decrease than for Biden.

Not voting is the same as voting for the worst of the two.

 

I'm not sure I know who that is. I see no redeeming qualities in either one.

 

Sure good follow up. Plenty of things exist that Trump can go after Biden for after being called a dictator that would remain factual.

- Timing of the 90whatever charges against Trump
- Joe's lies about having no knowledge or nothing to do with Hunter's foreign business dealings
- Joe's mental capacity

etc....

I don't see Nikki being able to press these things in a "gotcha" type environment that Americans seem to love. I think democrat higher-ups would agree and that's why IMO, they want a Haley candidate vs Trump. Plus the Maga stay home factor if Haley wins (again, IMO).

 

It doesn't have anything to do with Nikki Haley. Democrats would do their best hoping that Bozo the clown beats Trump.

 

These elections are not about who is "best". They're about who is "less worst". People will understand that as elections approach. And convictions for crimes and sexual abuse, plus his big mouth, are not going to help. Calling people to violence, acting like an uneducated idiot and attacking free speech, and Russian generated fake news... might have worked twice for Trump. I doubt it will work a third time. It was "new" before. But now people are getting tired of it.