Why Nikki Haley?

That right there is you problem. You're still looking for redeeming qualities. Forget that! What I said was that if you don't vote, you are voting for whichever of the two is the WORST! That's what you need to START looking for.

 

True. But when you compare job approval ratings, Biden's has gone below Trump's. I think you also under estimate how people tire of the constant Truck attacks that have been going on for 8 years, whether you find them true or not. If someone already thinks Trump is being attack unfairly by the left, including government officials, stacking on more and more charges doesn't change that opinion. It just further supports that opinion. I think people are getting tired of the boy cries wolf act from progressives, but as we have said, we find out in November.

 

In that case, Biden is much worse. Has Kamala as a backup and doen't know jack about fixing anything. At least Trump tried to fix stuff.

 

VEEPSTAKES: Some Solid Advice for Trump From His Former Press Secretary.

Seems to be saying Nikki for VP to get the establishment voters.

 

It seems that for the last 4 elections people have been voting AGAINST someone rather than for someone who they think will do a good job as president.
I don't agree that democrats want to see Haley rather than trump; I don't think they give a bug fart who is on the ballot. They fully intend to put Biden back in the oval office. I think they'll hold their noses when they vote, but they'll vote for Biden.

They have collectively swallowed whole the propaganda that Trump wants to be a racist, sexist, homophobic dictator and will stop at nothing to keep him off the ballot and out of the oval office.
If they have to destroy democracy to keep him out, that's what they have decided is just and fair.
Whatever it takes.

So what democrats are doing in a sense is taking the whole "vote against not for" thing to a new level; they'd rather have a delusional corrupt career politician in the oval office. I think they know Biden has taken bribes from foreign governments through Hunter and all those shell companies. I think they know Biden has spent his career sucking at the public trough and taking care of his business rather than ours. I think they know Biden is a racist ("busing will turn our schools into jungles") I think they know he's a hair sniffing pedophile.

But they intend to put Biden back into office anyway, because losing is never an option. If they can just get Biden back in the oval office they'll sort it out later.

For my part I think Haley has a good chance of taking the Republican nomination, and if she does I think the oval office is hers to lose.

And for the first time in 16 years, I'll be voting FOR someone rather than AGAINST someone.

 

Ok
The "timing". When should that HAVE started? Don't say never because he was responsible for Jan. 6th. If he's innocent, let the courts decide. The documents problem is of his own creating. Sure, Biden had some papers also but the key with Trump is that he was told to surrender them and he "hit back". Too bad for him. The other cases are also his own doing so....good luck with "hitting back" on any of them.
Did Joe have knowledge? I have no idea. The Republican committee seems to think so but also seem to have a hard time producing nothing but circumstantial evidence. Who cares about that. Give hard evidence and then you have a point. Right now it's all smoke and mirrors. Prove there's a fire.
Joe's mental capacity. LOL, really?!!! Have you listened to Trump? I'm not talking about lately, he's been the same incoherent nutjob since day one!!

Sure, Trump will press with false accusations and MAGA will eat it up but he only does that because he's got nothing else. No policies, no plan.....nothing. Never did. Never will.
He's a con man. That's it.

 

Which is too be expected when Trump had been in full campaign mode for months and Biden hasn't started.

In any case, you can vote based on job approval numbers, or you can vote based on who YOU think will be less bad for the country.

 

Then you should vote for Trump. At least then you can accept your share of the responsibility if he turns out to be the worst disaster in our history. Which, I can asure you, he WOULD be. Not voting, or voting third party is a way to evade responsibilities.

 

Haley Plays Race Card, Claims Segregated Beauty Pageant Discrimination In 1980s

'Yes, that totally happened...'

We aren't the melanin and gonads party, Nikki, that would be the other team.

'Nikki Haley isn't just a pro-war neocon who wants to track everyone on the internet. She's actually a victim, you see. A victim of racism...'

Nikki claims they excluded her for being mixed race.

'Yet, as Candace Owens points out - Haley would have been competing in the 1980s...'

"Were there segregated beauty pageants then? If not, why would they not know where to put her?" She asks, adding "If so, how was the mixed-race Vanessa Williams crowned Miss America in 1984?"

She's starting to remind me a little of Kamala Harris.

 

I disagree but it doesn't matter. Just because the machine picks crap candidates doesn't mean that I have to engage. I hold no share of any responsibility for being given the choice of crap or crap.

 

The better question is, why aren't Republicans supporting the candidate with the better chance of beating Biden ???

 

When I am looking at the other side of the aisle, I learned the hard way to root for the person that I can live with, that will fulfil their job decently even if I disagree with them politically over political calculation. The last time I rooted for the person that was most likely the weaker candidate, I rooted for W Bush over McCain and boy did that ever backfire.
My main criteria when assessing the other side of the aisle is "can I live with this person?" So over the years, I was willing to accept McCain, Romney or Kasich as possible presidents because they were all competent and somewhat decent people. I would not accept W Bush or Trump because of incompetency for one and amoral indecency tearing our country apart for the other.
So here in the republican primaries I certainly hope that Haley wins, because even if she is better matched against Biden than Trump is, if she ultimately prevails she will not destroy the fabric of this country as Trump is bound to do. Sometimes you have to root for the right person, even if it might cost you overall.

 

It’s almost as if democrats (unlike republicans) are willing to vote across party lines for someone they think is reasonable. I would vote for Haley over Biden. She’s wrong on a lot of things but she’s smarter than Trump and Biden combined.

The better question is why does the GOP hate her? Is it because she’s a brown woman?

 

Brown woman bad!

 

I don't think you're understanding that you already ARE engaged. The only way to disengage would be to change your nationality. Short of that, your civic duties remain. And not voting, or voting third party is the same as voting for the worst of the two major party candidates. So you will exercise those duties whether you want to or not.

 

Because the difference between Haley and Biden on most issues is for all practical purposes is nil. Haley like Biden is running to be part of the problem not part of the solution.

 

Gimme a Break: Haley Claims That in the South, She Was ‘Teased Every Day for Being Brown.’

She's a victim, but her heels are ammo.



'Can Nikki Haley read the room? Apparently not. With the New Hampshire primary just two days away, on Sunday she played the race card in a big way, making outlandish and implausible claims about her youth in South Carolina. Whose votes is she trying to win? Those of patriotic voters who are thoroughly sick of charges of “racism” being used as a weapon or those of the entrenched Washington establishment that weaponized those charges? The answer isn’t even close to being in doubt.'

Nikki Haley Recalls Her Daring Childhood Escape From Slavery On The Underground Railroad



'"I remember it well," Haley described. "Harriet Tubman herself showed up at our brown family's small one-room log cabin and took me with her. It wasn't easy being the only runaway of Indian descent, all the other kids got better food than I did, but we made it to freedom in New York and I'll never forget that feeling."

'Haley told the crowd she will always be grateful to Tubman for rescuing her from slavery, and said it wasn't easy growing up as the only brown slave on a plantation of only black slaves.'


Harriet Tubman, Hero, Gun Toting Republican.

https://babylonbee.com/news/nikki-h...cape-from-slavery-on-the-underground-railroad

Ms. Tubman understood that her freedom stood on three boxes: The Jury Box, the Ballot Box, and the Cartridge Box.

Nikki Haley? I have no idea what the hell is up with her, and I don't trust her as far as I can throw her.

 

Talk is cheap. After Democrats were to reach across party lines and vote in Haley, THEN you can brag about them being fair-minded or whatever it is that you are implying.

Until that time however, it is meaningless blather. There is nothing new about some people from one side voting in the other sides primary to gum up the works.

 

Only one logical explanation - they don't think she can beat our current president
She is also a war hawk and dems love some fresh wars!

 

That is easier. Maybe they like his policy positions better. It is like any primary race. You choose the candidate that has policies you like the most. The democrats choosing Nikki is different. They don't ultimately want to vote for her. They want to vote for Biden. So if your end game is Biden why pick Haley when she has a better chance of stopping who you ultimately want in charge.

 

For me when I answer your question "Can I live with this person?" my answer, which I have said this many times on the forum, I don't think whoever gets elected president really impact my life very much? I never voted for Obama and disagree with him on many positions but during his 8 years in office my life and that of my family did extremely well. Career took off, purchased a home, had kids etc... I supported Trump and he failed me by not delivering on the promises I felt were most important. I also decided to never support him again but during his 4 years life was also good. The same can be said for Biden's term. I find parties may argue over policies but ultimate success is determined by the individual. There may be changes to things like tax rates that have some impact on my life but overall I control my destiny. The market has been doing well for the last 3 decades well before I started investing. There are plenty of great jobs out their if you work hard and get the skills to acquire them. What I am saying is the president makes very little difference in my life. So to answer your question I can live with them regardless of who gets elected.

 

Does the GOP really hate her or do they simply prefer someone else? If you supported Biden in 2020, did you hate Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton or simply just liked Biden more?

 

I don't think that is true. If you were to name of Trump or republican proposals I am sure she is heavily in the Republican camp.

 

There are these people called Neoconservatives, there history is to say all the right things but do absolutely nothing to promote all the right things and whenever necessary to vote against them. They have one thing going for them, a crap load of money. If you want to know who was really want to know who the people were on the other side of the attempted bribery/extortion of Kari Lake the is the first place to start looking.

 

Totally agree with this. Always surprised when people claim how their lives changed drastically from one president to another, or at least attribute their life changes to the presidency. I have never noticed any difference in terms of the big picture for my finances and well being (I am an independent contractor)
When I say "live with" I mean is the person bringing me agita on a daily basis due to annoying policy or moral decay that is poisoning this country