Why not gun license & registration?

so you believe the second amendment actually delegated power to the federal government to well regulate small arms?

is that the extent of your understanding of the second amendment?

 

yeah there is the CORRECT interpretation which is consistent with

1) the entire foundation upon which the founders created the constitution

2) the founders desire to recognize (rather than "create") rights they assumed existed with the Bill of Rights

3) the interplay with the main body of the constitution and the tenth amendment

4) almost every single major legal scholar who deals with second amendment issues as well as the law review articles from top 40 law schools

5) the Majority decision in Heller

and then on the other side, we have those who understand a PROPER interpretation of the 2nd Amendment pretty well undermines any attempts by the Democrat party to infringe on gun rights to punish conservatives and the NRA, so those leftists work backwards to try to re-interpret the second amendment to actually allow the nefarious nonsense the Banoids in office and their democrat allies try to foist upon us

 

ever heard of the constitution?

it just reported what the supreme court said

 

LOL that is funny. what is also funny is your citing the constitution when the constitution as properly interpreted pretty much destroys any type of federal gun control schemes

 

One thing the founders failed to anticipate was a proliferation of useful idiots unable to grasp more than 2 words at a time.

 

the supreme court says you're wrong

 

or mendacious politicians who would pretend that the constitution was intended to allow gun control by pretending COMMERCE AMONG THE STATES means federal power over individual citizens operating within their own states. or that there would be a whole generation of sheeple who were too stupid to understand the concept of natural rights and a document based upon that philosophical paradigm

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the supreme court's heller decision is tainted by the "faint hearted originalism" of Scalia who knows that the Commerce Clause expansion is blatantly wrong but he's unwilling to throw it out

but if you read the Heller decision, nothing in it actually affirms the validity of federal gun control laws such as machine gun bans or magazine limits. rather that DICTA discusses state police powers and those who lose constitutional rights through due process

 

you're just wrong

 

LOL that's funny but it appears to be the extent of your argument. we get the fact you don't like gun owners

we get the fact you are upset that gun bans and other schemes gun banners try to impose are unconstitutional

but I am not wrong and your arguments are specious

I wonder how your anti gun views go over in Mississippi

 

you ignored my argument

rednecks over here have no clue that they're just pawns being moved around by corporatists

some of them are so eager to demonstrate how dumb they are, they buy more guns

while they run behind on their mortgage payments and bank cards

 

ah great cultural and perhaps racial bigotry

tell us why you are so hateful of gun owners

is it that gun owners vote for conservatives

or that gun owners might kill criminals

or that gun owners remind those afraid of guns how cowardly such hoplophobes are

 

Unless you are advocating lawlessness, your solution must be compatible with the constitution. Article I, section 8 lists Congress' powers. For Congress to enact legislation beyond its powers is unconstitutional.

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Okay, I see this is going to take some educating. Let's start here: Do you understand that Congress' powers are enumerated in article I, section 8?

 

Dispel the mystique that some have conjured up surrounding guns.

Treat them like other ubiquitous mechanical contrivances - automobiles.

Make sure that those who have them know how to operate them properly in the interest of public safety.

Register them so that if they are stolen and/or used in a crime, culpability can be assigned and private property returned to the owner.

They're just guns.

Worshipping them is silly.

 

The problem you face is that none of congress' powers (as enumerated in article I, section 8 ) would allow legislation requiring registration or licensing.

 

No, they aren't, and you know it. In fact, they aren't even in the top 20. In 2015, the NRA has spent a minuscule $1.8 million on lobbying. Six of the top ten RECIPIENTS of lobby dollars are DEMOCRATS, including the TOP TWO. I've corrected you on this before, please stop spreading this lie.

 

I do not suggest that we do nothing. I will point out, though, that even if we did choose to do nothing different, we would still be making progress towards a safer and less violent society:

 

Even Antonin Scalia might differ. In the Heller decision (http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf), he noted that, because the plaintiffs "conceded at oral argument" that they do not "have a problem with licensing," the court would "not address the licensing requirement." The appeals court in that case had indicated that registration was permissible. "Reasonable restrictions also might be thought consistent with a 'well regulated militia.' The registration of firearms gives the government information as to how many people would be armed for militia service if called up."

 

Perhaps you are assuming that I cannot share more?

Let me tell you, the tone/direction of a discussion means as much to me these days, as the content of the same. And on that point, I will bid you farewell for now.

Regards.

 

I believe that the way MANY have interpreted the U.S. Constitution is less-than-perfect (especially as it pertains to laymen tossing-about opinions of the same).

I respect that we all have opinions to share... but not necessarily the application of the same within the society in which I live. It is NOT impossible to change the laws nor the Constitution itself. And that is just as the Founding Fathers intended.

I see zero problem with reviewing our laws/actions within the context of the outcomes we're seen as a nation. I'm not so "conservative", that I don't think our society needs to change in certain ways over time.

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I want the laws to be changed; and it is very POSSIBLE (and right, in my view) to change some of them.

 

Stop it!!

There are cases in court DAILY in this society, which show us that people's rights, freedoms and liberties must be 'reviewed' and for myriad reasons. The U.S. Constitution did not float down from Heaven as "manna", it was conceived and written by human beings (very wise, but human)... they knew that it was no perfected work. And we have enough HISTORY to show us that our path includes change as much as constancy. The U.S. Constitution is not absolutely 'immutable'; the Founders made that very clear.

 

And I would not suggest otherwise. However, your suggested interpretation and implementation of the Constitution... is not something I or others must absolutely adhere to, certainly not within the context of any singular discussion on this matter.

Again, I honor the U.S. Constitution and have defended it with my life. So, as an America... I DO have the right (even the duty) to defend verbally, philosophically or politically, what I believe it to be about.

Sure, we can/will disagree on that at points... but I'm about 90% certain we agree just as much on most of what it's about.

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Okay. Still, I say MORE research and more effective laws/actions await us.

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Much SANITY expressed above!! Indeed!!

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You left out 'penis' augmentation as a factor.

 

Very well, as long as such research and new laws aren't unconstitutional, I'm OK with them. I will offer the following caveat: "Beware unintended consequence, it can be a real (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)." We're seeing concrete positive results doing whatever we are currently doing, let's not screw that up trying to make overly-sensitive people feel better.

 

Fear is the worst motivator ever, in my view!

Even so, we agree on a little here and that's cool with me for now.

 

Sorry folks, this thread has reached its post limits and is now closed.

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