Why Vietnamese aren't entitled to Affirmative Action

Unfortunately, Vietnamese took the wrong course as a community and actually became successful, unlike some other recent groups to have arrived in the US.

That means they're not entitled special privileges.

How is one to explain the tremendous gains East Asians have made in this country, or the stagnation of other minority groups, such as Hispanics and Blacks?

Perhaps racism, discrimination, immigration, and language and cultural barriers have little to no affect on a community's ability to progress here?

Perhaps, then, the blame/success goes toward the community's culture and genetics?

http://books.google.com/books?id=-s...CEoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=korean infants&f=false

 

Europeans had mutated from East Asians with a light skin mutation in West Asia that happened to the ancestors of the Kalash less than 50,000 years ago and intellectually, Asians are not inferior to Europeans as IQ tests show. Their physical differences from Caucasians are largely superficial and it's no surprise that once they become proficient in English, they score better than other minority groups in the US. As a result, Asian Americans are not the beneficiaries of Affirmative Action programmes at state universities as they are treated equally as whites.


Kalash girl, Pakistan

 

Do y'all vote democratic in elections?if so y'all should be than

 

This is highly unlikely and the ancestor of East Asians likely entered the East after splitting from the Caucasoid ancestral group, and would have resembled Negrito.

 

A new study has shown how a specific mutation in the SLC24A5 gene provides evidence of shared ancestry of Asians with Europeans. In this study, Victor Canfield, assistant professor of pharmacology, together with Cheng, studied a specific mutation in SLC24A5, called A111T. The researchers found that all individuals from the Middle East, North Africa, East Africa and South India who carry the A111T mutation share a common “fingerprint” – traces of the ancestral genetic code – in the corresponding chromosomal region, indicating that all existing instances of this mutation originate from the same person.

The pattern of proportions of people with this lighter skin color mutation indicates that the A111T mutation occurred somewhere between the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent. “This means that Middle Easterners and South Indians, which includes most inhabitants of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, share significant ancestry,” said Cheng. This mutated segment of DNA was itself created from a combination of two other mutated segments commonly found in Eastern Asians – traditionally defined as Chinese, Japanese and Korean. “The coincidence of this interesting form of evidence of shared ancestry of East Asians with Europeans, within this tiny chromosomal region, is exciting,” said Cheng. “The combining of segments occurred after the ancestors of East Asians and Europeans split geographically more than 50,000 years ago; the A111T mutation occurred afterward.”

 

Yes, the Caucasoid mutation occurred after East Asians split, so East Asians carry the original version. The Caucasoid version mutated from this version. This doesn't mean Caucasoids evolved from East Asians.

 

East Asian haplotypes C3 and C10, commonly found in Chinese, Japanese and Korean, are the precursors to C11 that caused the lighter skin mutation called A111T mutation. C3 and C10 were also present in ancestors of Europeans, who would have looked like East Asians prior to the A111T mutation, and the C11 people or present-day Caucasians were isolated from East Asian populations for a certain period of time most possibly in Afghanistan, while the A111T mutation occurred through prolonged recombination.

 

The bolded is garbage and you simply made it up. The East Asian ancestral group which was also ancestral to Negritos split from the Caucasoid ancestral group and East Asians evolved various external features after this including EDAR variations and epicanthic folds.

 

The presence of East Asian haplotypes C3 and C10 in the ancestors of Europeans clearly indicates that they were physically similar to East Asians before their geographical split from the ancestors of East Asians and the C11 haplotype, which was created from a combination of two East Asian haplotypes C3 and C10, gave them new Caucasian features such as blue eyes and lighter skin tones. A mixture of two East Asian tribes (C3 and C10), which occurred somewhere in West Asia, gave rise to the genetically-modified C11 people from whom all Caucasian populations originated. East Asians had some other mutations caused by environmental factors after the split between the ancestors of Europeans and East Asians.



Generation of haplotype C11. Recombination between chromosomes containing C10 (white) and C3 (shaded) is indicated by X. The crossover product represented by the solid line is the precursor to C11; the reciprocal recombinant represented by the dotted line is not recovered. Ancestral alleles are represented by open symbols, and derived alleles are solid black, where rs12441154, rs1834640 (c1), rs2675345 (c2), rs57108441, and rs1426654 (c11) are represented by the triangle, square, triangle, circle, and star, respectively. The B6 haplotype (here defined by 6 SNPs), just to the left of the C region, is that most commonly found in phase with the C3 allele, as indicated; B2 and B3 are most commonly in phase with C10. Subsequent mutation at rs1426654, represented by the black star, produced the predominant SLC24A5A111T-containing haplotype, C11, which is globally associated with B6. 1000 Genomes Project data localize the crossover to the 0.9-kb interval between rs57108441 and rs78729596. Flanking regions are not shown. Note that the final product is identical under an alternate model in which mutation precedes recombination.

 

This is pure baloney and the common ancestral group would have most resembled Negritos.

Yes, thanks for editing in some totally irrelevant yet impressive looking graphs to back up your nonsense.

C11 codes for light skin, and of course anybody with dark skin looks East Asian.

 

I noticed you inserted this sentence after I replied:

'A mixture of two East Asian tribes (C3 and C10), which occurred somewhere in West Asia, gave rise to the genetically-modified C11 people from whom all Caucasian populations originated.'

A single fusion mutation now implies ancestral origins for all other genes?

C3 and C10 are distibuted throughout East Asians. What happened is that these genes were also present in the common ancestral group and they happened to fuse in Caucasoids and the resulting C11 which codes for light skin was selected in Caucasoids.

Looking at a mountain of other genetic evidence we see that East Asians and Australoids are descended from a single entry into the East from the common Eurasian ancestral group.

 

There seems to be a weird idea here that the only differences between a small group of refugees from another country and the large population of African descendant US citizens is skin colour. Does anyone really believe that is the case or is it just a convenient lie?

I would suspect that those Vietnamese with the ability and drive to flee their country and get to the USA would also have the ability and drive to give their children a strong upbringing despite (or because of) their difficult situation. I'd suggest they not only achieved more than the average black American but more than the average white American too so using them to put down any subset of American citizens seems somewhat disingenuous.

After all, maybe the Vietnamese didn't have people constantly telling them how stupid they were, how they will never achieve anything and are destined to failure because of their skin colour. Just a thought.

Edit: Incidentally, I don't think anyone deserves affirmative action.

 

Virtually all chromosomes carrying the A111T allele share a single 78-kb haplotype that is called C11, indicating that all instances of this lighter skin mutation in human populations share a common origin. C11 was created by a combination of East Asian haplotypes C3 and C10 and the C3 and C10 peoples had gone through Asian-specific mutations that made them look different from Melanesians, who reached Asia in the first wave of human migration to the region, followed by the ancestors on mainland Asians.

 

So Vietnamese came here in 1978-79 and what kind of conditions did they face when they got here?

Black folks came here in the 1600s and what kind of conditions did we face when we got here?

 

Off topic debate broken off here:
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=345565&p=1063661690

 

So comparing Vietnamese immigrants to Hispanic immigrants sounds disingenuous?

 

What do you imagine the conditions for war refugees were?

Unless you're 400 years old, you're asking a rather silly question; there isn't a genetic memory of what happens so long ago.

 

LoL. Who writes this garbage?

(I'm guessing not you, as you copy-paste all your posts)

So ancestry determines how well you learn a language? So why does it take so long for Europeans to learn Chinese?

Guess the author didn't think that through, nor the idiotic claim that East Asians perform so well on IQ tests is because they are related to Whites.

If that were the case, Whites related to Whites (Germans, Russians) should do even better on IQ tests than East Asians.

What idiocy.

 

Erm no. I said "using [this specific group of Vietnamese immigrants] to put down any subset of American citizens seems somewhat disingenuous.".

I never said comparing any groups is wrong. I did say comparing them by only considering skin colour is wrong. I was mainly picking up on how the early posts immediately descending in to discussions of ancient racial genetics. Maybe it's easier than addressing the difficult (impossible?) cultural and socio-economic questions that are much more likely to be relevant here.

 

A helluva lot better than stepping off a slave ship in chains.

Fair enough, well tell me how many years did Vietnamese suffer through Jim Crow segregation and racism. Now lets see if you try and tell me nobody is still alive from that era.

 

Why do Orientals not need affirmative action benefits? It's sooooo simple my man. It's because they're not lazy.

 

Are you calling white women in America lazy?

 

In general individual and group success is due to IQ, education, work ethic, and culture. Government programs can provide education, but cannot impact IQ, work ethic, or culture.

 

I would say that most people believe the difference is only skin color including Vietnamese who reflect this belief by voting for liberal Democrats -- something that is rather strange for descendants of people who fled communism.

 

The Vietnamese I know came here after fleeing their country in small boats. They lost everything they had and were faced with living in an alien culture, not being able to speak the language, and in many cases not being able to practice their prior professions. They did not cry in their beer and demand to be helped by the Government. Rather they utilized the private sector opportunities in the U.S. to rebuild their lives. If you think your success is limited by something that happened in the 1600s you will never be successful.