Why was this woman permitted to own 10 guns

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by mister magoo, Jun 28, 2016.

  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Mental stress. Who has never had that plus it doesn't say about anything diagnosed unless I missed it.
     
  2. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On a lighter note. Of course you can tell she is crazy by the photo. She is a woman. :roflol:
     
  3. mister magoo

    mister magoo New Member

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    Well, what would you call it if you've attempted suicide three times....besides that...whats you're point....
    BTW Georgia Amy says that medical records are protected so no-one would know except family...
    protected by HIPAA...although I disagree with her....
     
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    The OP has said: "she is obviously crazy looking, she shouldn't have guns". The OP has also said: "You're ALL crazy". By extension, the OP is saying no one should have guns.

    I can play armchair psychologist too: The OP is obviously frustrated that his own country denies him the right to firearms, and is lashing out against those with greater freedoms, to which he has no access. I think he should be committed before he causes harm to himself or others. He's clearly a ticking time-bomb.
     
  5. mister magoo

    mister magoo New Member

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    Read the comments on the bottom of my links by other, well informed Americans who all believe
    shes a few tiles short of a roof, and the guns should have been confiscated...
    How many calls by police and how many suicide attempts do you need before someone needs to be put in
    a loony bin....no wait until she kills a couple of innocent people in an obviously planned attack, then we can kill her........thats the easy way out isnt it.......
     
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    a lot but he says the trigger is sort of mushy. Typical Mil-spec with a need of polishing. He put a gieselle trigger in it
     
  7. maat

    maat Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe his eyes were elsewhere.
     
  8. maat

    maat Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since when are gun dealers psychiatry experts? Is Walmart expected to screen everyone who buys steak knives?
     
  9. OrlandoChuck

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    I don't see it in her eyes and she has a 2A right to purchase firearms unless she has been adjudicated by the courts as mentally ill.
    I'm not sure what her mental medical history is, but the sellers,(I assume she made multiple purchased from more than one gun shop) have no way of knowing this info if she wasn't reported by the court system.
    If you want to be upset about her access to firearms, hold the federal government at fault due to their HIPPA privacy laws that prevent medical professionals from reporting mentally ill people. Of course this assumes that she saw a medical professional.
     
  10. therooster

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    Who knew, get rid of background checks and just have you look into people's eyes to see if they should own a gun. Simple solution.
     
  11. Hotdogr

    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The fact is, gun sellers do deny sales based on their feelings about a purchaser. The Orlando shooter was turned away when trying to purchase body armor, and ammunition, by a gun seller who "got the wrong vibes" from him. That gun seller notified the FBI, his feelings were so strong.

    Any shopkeeper should be able to decide whom they are willing to do business with, based on any criteria they choose. Denying questionable people a firearm purchase should be (and is, as far as I know) the prerogative of the shopkeeper, with no appeal.
     
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    until some leftwing plaintiffs' attorney sues on behalf of someone with mental instability claiming his client was discriminated against based on a mental handicap!!

    gun dealers and bartenders should have an unquestioned right to deny service to anyone they deem not proper to serve
     
  13. OrlandoChuck

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    This is true, but I see nothing to indicate the the seller had questionable feelings about this buyer.
     
  14. NMNeil

    NMNeil Well-Known Member

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    You could ask why no one started a thread on this as well.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/police-stopped-car-full-teens-fatal-crash-article-1.2691896

    And ask how the driver, even though smelling of booze, was allowed to continue driving. Just one look at his eyes and the cop should have known he was mentally unstable :wall:
     
  15. perdidochas

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    We don't know if she bought the guns or if her husband bought the guns. Regardless, crazy eyes are not a recognized medical symptom of mental illness.

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    The legal standard for not allowing gun purchases is that the person is adjudicated as mentally ill. That means that a judge and psychiatrist agreed, and legally proclaimed her mentally ill. There is no evidence that happened.
     
  17. mister magoo

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    Plenty of evidence NOW....that she was crazy....
     
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    So you think that gun store clerks can be accurate judges of mentall illness? Maybe so, since you seem to think you can diagnose it from photos.

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    But was there before? I don't know. I just know what the legal standard is. Laws matter. If you don't like it, have the law changed.
     
  19. perdidochas

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    Then she should have been charged with crime and/or committed to a mental hospital for observation. Sounds to me like the husband and/or police didn't do enough to stop her. If my wife was starting to go crazy like that, I would lock the guns up, and keep them from her. Since it seems she had made suicide attempts in the past, it seems even more important to have done that. Sounds like a failure of many. There is no evidence that she bought the guns herself, just that they were in the household (the gun she used was a family heirloom, not a recent purchase).

    http://abc13.com/news/family-friend-katy-area-mom-shot-daughters-to-punish-husband/1403639/
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    And the tragedy is not due to her being able to buy guns (the gun she used was a family heirloom from her great grandfather). The tragedy is that she didn't get the mental health she needed--which would have saved everybody involved.

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    You want to take away due process? I think they need to look at you for mental illness. Due process is one of the foundations of American liberty and justice.
     
  20. perdidochas

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    Yes, they would have that duty to not sell the gun to somebody that said they wanted the gun to "kill someone."

    The thing is, this case has nothing to do with a gun dealer selling this lady a gun in the last month or two. She used a family heirloom to kill the girls. This case was a failure of the husband to get his wife mental healthcare, and to secure the guns.

    So, which police state are you from?

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    That, and he didn't look at her eyes. He looked at a photo of her eyes.

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    Not without a warrant.
     
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    Take it up with the mental health lobby. The theory goes that if all of that was open to all, some mentally ill people wouldn't seek treatment. Also, do you want your private medical records open to the public?

    Finally, there are mental health records that are open to the public--if a person is judged mentally ill and is committed to a mental hospital, that's a matter of public record. Also, when the police are directly involved.
     
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    Are you from Australia ???

    And since you are not from the U.S., Why are you so bent on reforming Our Constitution and Laws ?

    Does not your own Country have enough problems for you to solve, or does your Fruitopia lack moral ills for you to solve ?
     
  23. perdidochas

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    The link you posted clearly said that only patient, spouse/parent (depending on age), health care providers and those you specifically authorize are allowed access to those records. When my oldest son turns 18, I will have to have his written permission before a doctor will share anything about his health records, for example.


    From your link about HIPAA

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    We're going to have to get mister magoo a really good internet connection, so the gun dealers can skype him.....

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    There is no evidence she bought a gun in the last few years. The gun she killed her daughters with was a family heirloom. The real problem here was that her husband didn't lock up the guns, and/or the police/authorities didn't have her committed to a mental institution for suicide attempts.
     
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    Being an amateur armchair psychologist, I can simply look at his avatar and tell, he's lashing out against those who have rights and freedoms that his own country denies him. I bet he has 'crazy eyes' too.
     

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