Why We’ll Never Bake Your Fake ‘Wedding’ Cake

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  1. Junkieturtle

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    I read about an interesting proposal concerning these "I won't serve you because religion" cases that have come up in the last couple years.

    If you are a business owner, and you intend to discriminate against folks because your religion commands you to be an ass, you should be required to post formal public notice of your possible intent to do so. Out front of your store, on an official document letting potential customer's know before they enter that they may be subject to discrimination and bias. Let these business owners retain the right to deny service based on nonsense, but let them alert the public that they intend to do so. Everyone wins. Business owners can do what they want, and the public will know who these folks are and can make better decisions about where to take their business. That will work both ways too. People who would not want to be in a position where they could be discriminated against will know ahead of time. People who would not want to support a business like that will know too. But, so will the folks who would want to support a business like that. It would discourage the folks these business owners don't want, and encourage those who agree with them to frequent their business more. But, either way that should end these "I can't make this cake or take your picture because God will be mad" cases.
     
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    No. That's a stupid thing to say. Bisexuals are bisexual regardless of the sex of their current partner because they're still attracted to both sexes.
     
  3. PatriotNews

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    You said people can't change their sexuality. Bi-sexuals can go from a heterosexual relationship to a homosexual relationship at their choosing.
     
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    You're delusional. Such a concept is black letter Unconstitutional. Sorry. If you want to live in a christian theocracy, try Vatican City.

    They're not targeting christians. They're suing BUSINESSES that illegally discriminate. Businesses do not have religions.
     
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    I am not surprised you don't know the difference between a theocracy and a democratic republic with laws that are based in Judeo-Christian beliefs.

    Business are owned by people who have 1st Amendment rights.
     
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    You do realize there's a difference between your sexual orientation and who you're currently involved with right? One sex doesn't become less attractive just because you're involved with a member of the other. Your sexual orientation is who you find attractive sexually. Therefore, sexual orientation remains constant.
     
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    The premise is that you cannot choose your sexuality. The concept if bi-sexuality is that you can chose to engage in heterosexual behavior, or homosexual behavior. Therefore, your premise is completely eviscerated due to the fact that bi-sexuals can chose their sexuality.
     
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    You can't change your sexual orientation. Bisexuality is another sexual orientation, just like heterosexuality and homosexuality. Sexual orientation is who you're sexually attracted to. I don't think you know what you're talking about.
     
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    If you are bisexual, that means you can choose to be in a homosexual relationship, yes or no?

    If you are bisexual, then you can also choose to be in a hetrosexual relationship, yes or no?

    Therefore, bisexuals choose which type of sexual relationship they want to be in, heterosexual or homosexual, yes or no?

    Bisexuality is not a sexual orientation, just someone who has no particular preference of one over the other.

    You cannot be in a bisexually monogomous relationship.
     
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    Which are not free from Consequence's, decriminate as a business and you will be paying fines, the cost of your Freedom of Speech. Enjoy
     
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    No. Bisexuality is a sexual orientation. It's attraction to both sexes. Who one is currently involved with has nothing to do with sexual orientation. You can't seem to comprehend this. You don't seem to know what a sexual orientation even is.
     
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    Businesses which cannot be denied their civil rights under the due process of the law, which includes their 1st Amendment rights to freedom of religion, free speech and freedom of association.
     
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    You and they still have your Freedom of Speech and no one is going to charge you criminally or put you in jail, so there is no threat. Like if full of choices and there is NOTHIG ion the BIBLE that says you cannot serve gays so that excuse was BS from the start. Freedom of Speech is not guaranteed to be free of Consequence's if the founders thought it should be they would have written it that way. Enjoy your fines.
     
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    Businesses are free to associate with whoever they want but if they choose to associate with the public then they got to follow the public's rules.
    If a business doesn't like the public's rules, then they shouldn't be associating with the public. Simple as that.

    -Meta
     
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    Nonsense. If being bisexual is an orientation, then shouldn't they only be attracted to other bisexuals? Can someone be in a committed bisexual relationship? There is no such thing. Your basic premise is that people cannot choose their sexuality, yet a person who is supposedly bisexual by definition can choose to be a homosexual, or a heterosexual. But one thing a bisexual cannot choose is to be in a bisexual relationship. Therefore, it is not a sexuality, but an ability to choose between homosexuality and heterosexuality.
     
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    Then there is no 1st Amendment right to freedom of religion according to that interpretation.
     
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    Sure there is. You're free to believe in and or worship whatever god(s) you want.

    -Meta
     
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    Free to believe and worship from a jail cell if you don't bow to the hedonistic beliefs of the leftist's dogma.
     
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    Nobody is being locked up for their religion.

    This has nothing to do with religion.
     
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    I'm ninety percent sure that you're just trying to be difficult now. You know what bisexuality is. You know damn well that heterosexuality and homosexuality refer to exclusive attention to one sex and that bisexuals cannot choose to be exclusively attracted to one sex. If you are attracted to both sexes, you're bisexual. Otherwise, you're one of the monosexual orientations.

    You know this. Surely you do.
     
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    Nobody is bing locked up for their religious beliefs...yet.
     
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    After you answer these three questions, you will be in total agreement with me:

    A bisexual can choose to be in a committed heterosexual relationship. True or false?
    A bisexual can choose to be in a committed homosexual relationship. True or false?
    A bisexual can choose to be in a committed bisexual relationship. True or false?

    And now answer this question and the debate is over -
    If a person can choose to be in a committed heterosexual relationship or a committed
    homosexual relationship, then they can choose their sexual orientation. True or false?
     
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    If that is what you are afraid of happening, if say you are an alarmist. Nothing is even slightly threatening religion.

    Christianity was simply used as a pathetic civil defense for discrimination.

    Religion doesn't make a good defense. Ask Andrea
    Yates.
     
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    That is true only if you think that we are ALL bisexual. As much as I am for homosexual rights, I can tell you from personal experience, that is not accurate. I am not bisexual, rather completely hetero. But if there is something you want to confess, fell free....
     
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    Not for businesses, no. It is an individual right that applies to persons, only. A business is not a person.
     
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