Why would China use a spy balloon when it has satellites?

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  1. flyboy56

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    The Apollo capsules used compressed gas forced through jet nozzles to steer. A balloon changes altitude to steer. There are various methods to inflate or deflate a balloon.
     
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    They only go up as far as the mass of the balloon allows them to. Ie it is controlled by the gas combination in the balloon. This is why some weather balloons can be set in an orbit of say 20,000 feet by setting the appropriate gas combination of normal air and a lighter gas such as helium.
     
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    No it would not work on a balloon. The inertia and momentum of a balloon of that size is too high and it would be uncontrollable due to the balloon shape
     
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    And they were on the balloon? Where is your source?
     
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    Most are amateur weather folks who don’t invest in balloons that can float forever and need to be tracked and controlled. They send them up get the information and write the balloons off.
     
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    I haven't heard the balloon radically changed to a different altitude and so was going to a certain place. Please source.
    Also please source it has such equipment in it.
     
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    I’m saying that is how balloons can steer. How much information were we given about China’s balloon?
     
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    well it's like over 10 days now that they picked up debris, and I'm not seeing jack. You?
     
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    I’m talking about the path it took from the west to the east.
     
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    A jet of gas would not be perfect put should be able to adjust the course a bit. You would put the “jets” in the payload to nudge the entire contraption a little bit.
     
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    The balloon was just following the usual wind direction across the US at that altitude
     
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    And that info originated from where?
     
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    Winds at 60000 feet in the US generally go eastwards
     
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    Generally. Did you figure the balloons flight by that alone?
     
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    WATCH: Lights On, No One’s Home as Kamala Explains Chinese Spy Balloon.

    “We will maintain the perspective that we have in terms of what should be the relationship between China and the United States,” Harris gurgled. “That is not going to change, but surely and certainly that balloon was not helpful, which is why we shot it down.”
     
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    How do you think that they knew it came from China if not by examining previous wind measurements ?

    BTW I'm the one who informed you about how a balloon can change direction. I also informed you how a balloon can maintain an altitude of 20000 feet or 60000 feet. This rubbish about compressed gas to steer and the balloon hovering stationary over a site is just rubbish. This balloon was not manoeuvrable and did not change direction against the general wind direction - it's not possible if you don't know the wind direction of winds above or below you beforehand
     
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    If you research my posts regarding wind changes at altitudes which a balloon can use to change course and speed you will see I provided that information at post #80 prior to your post to me. I thanked you for confirming what I previously posted. The report from NATO stated they weren't setup to track certain objects but after the balloon incident they reconfigured their equipment. That being if what they said is true then how did they track the balloon as it entered the Aleutian islands? The entire reporting of the balloon and the 3 objects has been questionable at best.
     
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    It's as I wrote weeks ago. The large balloon was a weather balloon. It was not manoeuvrable. It was shot down because of the backlash from republicans and purely political. In the past it would just have been left to fly its natural course and everyone just assuming it's a US weather balloon. Whether the last three existed or not doesn't really interest me and I doubt that Radar can see objects of that size - there would be too many false positives. These last three were reported to save face and also to perpetrate the fear of Chinese, the new bogeyman - I doubt Biden was even involved in those discussions - the Foreign Policy of the US does not change whoever is President so I agree with much of your post
     
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    Just Republicans were concerned about a Chinese spy balloon? Are you sure about that? The ability for the balloon to maneuver is still very much up in the air, pun intended.
     
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    It wasn't a spy balloon
     
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    China’s silence as their balloon went rogue makes that statement questionable.
     
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    You're a thoughtful man. Have a read about Gary Barnett's analysis of the timing between "the Chinese Balloon" and the East Palestine event. He has now somewhat corroborated my own thoughts.

    Concerning the State, There Are No Accidents, No Coincidences, and No Natural 'Emergencies' or Threats: All Is Planned - LewRockwell
     
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    China was not silent at all. It quickly noted that "force majeure" took the balloon off its anticipated course, an extremely logical statement supported by physics and knowledge of atmospheric winds and the characteristics and limitations of balloon flight.
     
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    Sure after it was discovered. You did know that right?
     

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