Why would you Oppose a wall on our Border? Lets find out.

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    People don't just walk across the desert at some random point and then quit when they happen to hit a wall. You need to do some research on what actually happens.

    Tightening our visa system as per the 2013 bipartisan immigration bill would address how more people come and stay illegally than would another increment of wall. That bill also protects jobs through e-verify - the reason they come and stay. These methods cost very little compared to the billions Trump demands for his partial wall that has never been justified.

    Also, having the president hold the American people hostage for billions of dollars to be forked over by our legislature is a DICTATORSHIP - not a democracy. Even if the demand included a justification it would not be a valid process of government.

    There has never been a justification made for building another increment of wall. I'd point out that every one of the House members from districts that touch the border are NOT in favor of Trump's demands. And, they are not all Democrats.

    A consistent solution HAS beeen negotiatedd - the bipartisan immigration reform bill of 2013. That bill had more than $40B for the southern border, plus solutions for the other methods used for coming here and staying illegally.

    Over and over again Trump talks about those south of our border in disparaging terms. And, that is consistent wiith his behavior toward American citizens who are members of minorities, too.
     
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    Not too much money, but too many benefits for too long a time. In other words, the ability to buy necessities like cigarettes, candy, and probably weed when it is legalized. Republicans want to encourage welfare people to get off welfare. Bill Clinton had a 5-year plan. What happened to it?
     
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    Wow! Question asked and answered in the same sentence. But I'll play along. Would it not make more sense to invest in the cheaper and by far more effective smart part before you spend $20-$50 billion on the dumb part?
     
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    No, we are not at war so we don't need a standing army.
     
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    Robert, those are common facts that have been posted over and over again. More than twice as many overstayed their Visas in 2017 as were apprehended at the border. https://cis.org/Report/Analyzing-New-Visa-Overstay-Report
    You can peruse the DEA and Border Patrol web sites to find plenty of statistics showing that legal points of entry are the most common method of border crossing and drugs.
     
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  6. WillReadmore

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    Well, that's a statement of the current total disfunction, not a statement of how the Senate was designed to work.

    So far, the Senate has chosen to almost entirely ignore the shutdown.

    Until this last vote, the Senate hasn't even responded to the bills addressing the shutdown that have beeen passed by the House.

    Notice that your post expresses hope that the Senate will start to become a functioning legislative body.
     
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    Then we don’t need a wasteful wall.
     
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    Ok, but all that is the supply side of the issue. The problem is on the consumer side because we're the ones with the drug problem. Why not spend the money on the consumer side of this problem?
     
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    He’s a legend in his own mind.
     
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    So sad how people get all worked up over the small minority of people who collect this but yet have no problem giving billionaires more tax dollars.
     
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    The wall can NOT POSSIBLY stop anywhere CLOSE to half of that.

    Multiple analysts say that the vast majority of drugs enter the US through LEGAL checkpoints and by air.

    There is NO evidence that a perfect land border with Mexico would change the availability of drugs in America.

    And, what Trump is demanding is nowhere CLOSE to being a perfect border. While his demands have not been accompanies by ANY plan, the original estimate of wall improvement was nearly 5X what Trump is demanding, and even that is known not to be perfect.


    The claim that the wall may be written off as drug enforcement is a bald faced lie.
     
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    That much steel would cost a fortune.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You took it from billionaires.

    Government handed it to those you allege are poor.
     
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    It lends to the reason for putting it up and access. Erected after WWII by the Russians along the divide between East and West Berlin. It was easy to tell one from the other, people were shot attempting to get out.
     
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    $2+ Billion dollars a year just to give the illegal crossing detainees a bed while in custody, not including health care, food or legal expenses isn't wasteful? :eekeyes:
     
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    I don't believe we were ever happy with any of Russia's behavior in Germany in the post WWII era.

    And, that certainly includes the Berlin wall.
     
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    Ankle bracelets are cheaper.
     
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    In other words, just screw solving the problem. Illegals are no problem nor are drugs around Democrats homes. Suffering is no problem to democrats.
     
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    Which are impossible to remove?

    Say, if those are the solution, why do we have prisons?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The only comparison is if the USA built a wall through Mexico City to prevent poor workers from locating good jobs.

    Democrats prefer the people able to offer jobs to illegals be tossed into prison.
     
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    Apply that same rationale to bank robbing. The bank robber suffers the problem of lacking money. So pay him or her and ensure treatment. Tell illegals to show up since you plan to assist them. Works every time.
     
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    Look. You've been told the answer to this over and over and over again.

    It's been repeatedly described where this opinion is simply total BS.

    What's with you?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not so long as Schumer has his authority.
     
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    Both Democrats and Republicans want jobs protected for American citizens and green card holders.

    You're just going crazy here. You need to get hold of the actual issues and directions of the major players.
     
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    Well, when will the problem be solved? I will inform you of this.

    I do not read 100 percent of posts. I read probably 5 percent of them.
     

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