Will Islam establish sharia law throughout the world?

That's because there isn't any links to terrorism and Islam.... Duh.

Use the Quranic text - there is only one Quranic text by the way and it's called the Quran lol... Anyway, post 3 verses from wikiIslam or whatever website you use (also, post the link too) and I will give the proper explanation for it.

 

Islam is not a link to terrorism.. Some people are terrorists.

Use your head for a change.

When the Zionists killed 400 British peacekeepers, bombed the King David Hotel, shot Count Bernadotte in the street, blew up the SS Patria in Haifa Harbor were they acting according to Judaism?

 

So the terrorists that claim to kill in the name of Allah were never there?

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/14/fatwa-on-rushdie-turns-20-still-in-force/

Is not true? It never happened?

Berkowitz, Ben (September 3, 2010). "Muslim cleric calls for beheading of Dutch politician". Reuters. Retrieved October 25, 2011.

Not true? Never happened?

 

Muslim say Allah Akbar if they have a tire blow out on the highway. If you knew anything about their culture, you wouldn't be duped.

Some crackpot Rabbis call for killing Arab babies.. Grow up.

You failed to answer me.. Was blowing up the King David Hotel, shooting Count Bernadotte, blowing up the SS Patria and killing 400 Britih peacekeepers about Judiasm?

 

Did anybody ever claim it was? Did someone say I do this in the name of God? I do this because God commands this? Our holy book told us to do it?

Also you have no idea what the (*)(*)(*)(*) I know and you are ducking.

 

Every group of soldiers whether an organized military or a guerilla group have claimed God was on their side... since forever.

How about, Praise God and Pass the Ammunition?

You weren't born yesterday.

The Inquisators and Conquistadors and witch burners claimed they were doing God's work.

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/231429-jews-justice-palestinians.html#post1060832517

 

You again have avoided the question. Answer the question so I can beat you down.

 

Do terrorist use religion.. Yes.. And they always have in every religion.

Beat me down? Don't be a twerp, Archer.

 

Hey I got a rise out of you. You answered my question.

You qualified it enough for me to end my part in this.

Yes they use the Holy Koran. They use it like many people use the Christian Bible as a tool. Many of them are following their faith but it is their faith not the faith of the larger Islamic world. We do understand that but because that small element follows the text perceptions of Islam are formed.

 

No, they say it. But thats their view.

I just read a Bible, now I want to go slaughter people.

See, its easy.

Fatwa are the opinions from Muslim scholars, based on their interpretation of Islam.

Nobody is obligated to follow these. For example, there was a fatwa made saying women should breast feed men. I thought it was a joke... But no, it is real...

Do you have 3 verses or not?

 

Much of the bible is not to be taken literally, IMO.

 

No kidding.. Its didactic literature.. The old Jews were certainly aware of that.

I'd like to know what your thought are re: my thread on Defining Christian Zionism.

 

because you talked in a tone i could understand
instead of blindly accusing islam.

you take one step towards a muslim,
and he'll take ten towards you.

(not to blow you up, don't be scared.)

but a muslim will stand firm if you talk about fictional
things that you may or may not see in the qur'an.

intentions are important.

you guys keep forgetting that muslims too are human
we too have a family, monthly costs and a hard life we
have to survive...

we all serve the same Allah (God).
some of us are aware of it, some of us are not.

Allah's laws are flawless, no one will reform them.
the one who implements those laws has rather many flaws.

the term reform suggests something "better",
a way that suits the need better...

so you have something better than the one who created
all the systems and matter and time and all living creatures?

think again.

it's a matter of belief.
who knows better than the one who has unlimited
knowledge and wisdom?

we have to deal with our arrogance. this is a big issue.
we try to change Allah's laws rather than changing ourselves?

it's people's minds that require serious reform.
both muslim and non-muslim.

understanding qur'an requires intellectual humility
and good intentions.

read the qur'an for once.
then keep on sleeping if you want to.

 

It isnt Islam that needs reform. Not the Quran. Not the Sunnah. Not the teachings. Not the practices.

Rather, some of the followers.

Thats why Islam was started. The Jews and Christians of the past, instead of reforming themselves to Moses (PBUH) Torah and Jesus (PBUH) Bible, they reformed the Scriptures instead.

We will not make that mistake.

 

This is a dangerous thought. Many Jews will die because of this blasphemous thinking. You say Jews need as many friends as they can get, yet they've turned their backs on the one true friend they actually need - God.

 

That's true and what I have posted so many times I do it in my sleep. Religion is mans assessment of God. God is God. However I feel there is a reason that Christianity is the religion of the last superpower on earth, and there are other reasons I choose Christianity. I never say to anyone that their religion is wrong, unless its radical Islam.

It's your conquest too Ms. Episcopalian Christian. Really, do you know how silly that (above) paragraph reads? Its like saying well at the beginning of the presidential race you were nothing, a common politician and now you won the presidency by a landslide, you were just a governer and now you are the president of the free world, why do you think you have achived anything at all? Ha ha incredible prattle that!

Your bounce between defending Arabs against someone I am not, then you defend Islam making ridiculous claims using fabricated facts (or facts that you can not produce a valid reference) and expect me to believe you? There is more, you and the usual suspects attempt to put words in my mouth and slander me never using quote tags with my words, offering up a queer false interpretation of what I said. For example; I have never said that the Arabs are bad people, only that they surround Israel and are often hostile to her. You and the usual suspects can't find anywhere I condemn Arabs or the Palestinians etc so they, in an attempt to discredit by fabricating slanderous lies about my policies, sentiments and ideas.

Newsflash (Early onset of Alzheimer’s alert?), I have already told you this on several occasions; I am already an Ordained minister sponsored by Immanuel Baptist Church which is a 175 year old church that is located in my hometown. I have guest preached at several churches which was a requirement for my sponsorship as is some future (local) mission work. I own a church (and two humanitarian missions) that enjoys IRS 501c status etc. As far as my education, particularity history goes, at least when I make a claim its not fabricated or tweaked. And I would compare my educational achievements ONLINE with you any day. I am creating a thread that is a bio will contain validating info so I can direct the usual suspects to it instead of using space in the OT when I am attacked or slandered.

Marg all I am asking is that you DO NOT EVER, EVER NEVER EVER say 'I said _____ ' unless you provide a DIRECT quote in quote tags. Then when you rebut a claim made by a member precisely address the claim and PROVIDE precise information to validate your counter claim. Often times your counter claim has nothing or very vaguely even addresses the claims made by the member.

Again I have nothing personal against you. I do not believe you are a Christian, or if you are maybe you are taking time off ? You sound like a Muslim which of course is wonderful (except for the loss of your soul IMO). Anyway my requests are not too extreme eh?

Reva

 

I agree but again we tun into the perception issue. If one says Islam need reform they are talking about those who blow themselves up and those who teach them to go boom. The rationals is simple.

Man blows himself up, we receive a letter claiming responsibility that cites Koranic verse and claims this is a Jihad. Well we read the verse and we know what Jihad is so we see an attack from Islam. Remember when Islam was born many zealots spread it.

So when we put two and two together we get three. Three?

We never consider the history and the fact that Saladin (Crusade Sultan that whipped the crusaders) was a not only a just man but a fair one as well. We never consider the earliest times when we got along. We never see the Muslim in the store and on the block we have known for years. We see blood. We want to destroy that which has attacked us and what we associate with that is Islam.

 

As I said Arabs were trading with what is Sudan and Somalia now.. as well as with the Indus valley, Egypt, Mesopotamia, the Levant and Persia a thousand years before Islam..

The archelogy is absolute proof..

That's why Islam was mostly spread in those places via commerce and marriage..

Look at real history... Spain was a different matter.. but the Berbers joined the Muslims in that conquest.

Baptist ministers are generally trained at the Dallas Theological Seminary (which is purely Scofield) or they are trained at one of the newer seminaries that teaches the same thing..

 

See... You need to read the Quran my friend. Suicide is haram. Purposely killing yourself is haram. Who do suicide bombers target? Innocent people, women, children, elderly. That is haram. There is nothing in Islam approving and permitting suicide bombing.

You don't Jihad is. Holy war isn't mentioned in the Quran. In the Arabic version, the "pure" Quran. Jihad means "struggle". There is a quote by Abu Bakr, goes like this: The lesser Jihad is fighting the Kufar, the greater Jihad is fighting yourself (the evil within). But Jihad literally is a struggle. What al-Qaida does is not Jihad, it's terrorism, and it isn't consistent with the teachings of Islam.

Why don't you ever consider that? Al-Qaida does not represent Muslims, so Islam hasn't attacked you. People did. Just like Christianity didn't attack Iraq, or Judaism didn't attack Palestine and Lebanon. People did.

When you say "Islam needs reform" I assume you mean the religion. The faith. The teachings. But it's the people, the followers of Islam, who need reform and to live a righteous life. It doesn't matter if the Quran was all about slaughtering everybody or loving everybody, people are people, and will do whatever they feel is right in their mind. If that... And that varies from saving a life to blowing themselves up to take lives.

That's what I'm trying to say.

 

I do not have any issue with your post and I will say that my point was it is all about perception.

If one perceives a threat to be from an Islamic group (group claiming to be attacking for Islam to defeat the American devils) and these things keep happening soon they begin to associate Islam with terrorism. Unfortunately the initial shock of 9/11 created a little fear and that fear has turned to hatred.

The hatred masks the fear and makes the hate even stronger because fear is seen as weakness (the people can not be weak in their eyes). This is their inequity and it angers them more. Instead of dealing with it through prayer and meditation, because many have no relationship with God, the spread more hate. There is no excuse or real reason for it. None the less it is here.

This is secular Amerika. The Godless liberals have created a monster. Both sides in Amerika are to blame though. Godless leaders proclaiming to know God leading the ignorant sheep to battle.

 

Says the woman(?) whose lived in the Middle East 20 years and spells Quran like Koran????....hahahahahahahaah Credibility = ZERO

 

the Moderate Muslims can do nothing and they won't do nothing for they are in league with the radical ones for the cause of Islam. So the killing, suicide bombings must continue and are ok in their eyes too for they are in league with the cause of Islam, which is to make the world Islamic.

You have to understand the Muslim thought process to understand the Muslim.

 

Haha was that really the best you could come up?

Too funny.

 

How do you understand the Muslim thought process? Lmao habibi, you don't know what your talking about.

This guy... you can't be this clueless and ignorant on purpose.

 

Ahhh okay, then we agree. I see what your saying now.

What they do does deserve to be associated with terrorism. Because that is what it is. Terrorism. However where the association SHOULD stop is with Islam. We can thank the media for the growing fear, and so also the hatred. We can also thank the people blowing themselves up saying they do it for Allah SWT, as they make it easy for the media to do it.

You do agree, there is an anti-Islam agenda in the media, right? I mean I think it's pretty hard to disagree with that, especially after 9/11 when it really got going.