Will Islam establish sharia law throughout the world?

Which is why all religion (especially Islam) should be banned. It's a man made manipulation plan anyway. It has no place in the modern world and causes far more problems than anything good.

 

What kind of shariah? If you mean, the most orthodox, then no. As for "21st century christian crusades" anyone who takes that tripe seriously is as much a threat as the "21st century Islamic jihadists".

 

Define moderate Muslim? By the way, you rely on Western media far too much. Muslims speak out all the time. Just last week, Canadian and American Imams made a fatwa against "honour" killing. Wrong. Islam is a religion based on love and justice. A true Muslim only fears Allah SWT.


The Prophet Muhammad SAW said, the lesser Jihad is fighting for Allah SWT, the greater Jihad is fighting yourself - the evil within you. Not taking over the world.

Lying is forbidden in Islam. Taqiyah is the practice of hiding your faith while under persecution, where revealing it could get you killed. If you think I am lying, which I am not, then quit responding to my posts. Simple.


Honestly? If you want to see that, do a Google search. That kind of thing is never going to be a bigger news item than, lets say, a suicide bomber blowing himself up in an Afghan market. It's childish to think Muslims do noy speak out, just because you don't see it on the news.

Who are the main targets of these so-called "Jihadists"? Other Muslims. How many Muslims are killed in these "Islamic" terror attacks, how many Mosques destroyed by an "Islamist". Far more than Christians, Jews, Churches, and Synagogues, but you believe these people are doing what Islam says?

As I said, Muslims speak out all the time. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.

Of course I can.

 

That's just plain stupid. They speak out all the time. In fact one leading Islamic scholar developed an authoritative fatwah denouncing suicide bombings amongst other actions in killing civilians.

Sure, and there is nothing wrong with that. Remember, you cant use violence to convert people unless they strike you or other Muslims, which is rational and fair.

Total nonsense. Taqiyya is lying to save your life - not for agenda setting. But if you are that scared, distrustful and delusional that you accuse all Muslims of being liars when they disagree with you, I cant help you with that.

EVERYWHERE. Do you want some of the many hundreds of exmaples of leaders and intellectuals?

If all you watch is youtube, TV news and Al Jazeera than you just found your problem. Read a book for Christ sake.

Benazir Bhutto doesnt count? Well the last winner of the nobel peace prize was a young women from Syria, so hey I guess you are totally up to date yeah?

I say you are totally clueless, and are making false assumptions based on that lack of understanding. Its quite embarrassing.

LOL

I bet he does all the time - I do. I have often gone to my local Mosque, despite being an atheist and talked about such issues with locals. Their views are often mixed, but always interesting.

 

You silly w-man. It doesn't matter if Muslims covet the world, the "jews" already own it. And us. Of course. Our economy, our media, our legal system, our Whitehouse, Obalmy's advisors and cabinet, our State Department, our DHS, our CIA and FBI, our politicians (look up CFR), our foreign policy, our immigration policy, our schools, our institutions, and the Pentagon.

Moderator, kick all these lying, alarmist, communist "jews" (Yes, "jews" founded communism, it's historical fact: http://tinyurl.com/JewsFoundedCommunismPeriod) out of here. They're always trying to convince us the Moslems are America's Number One Threat to divert attention away from our REAL THREAT: THEM. In related news ...

AMERICAN TROOPS ARE IN THE MIDDLE EAST BECAUSE THE "JEWS" WHO OWN THE FEDERAL RESERVE WANT A BILLION MORE INTEREST-PAYING CUSTOMERS, THE MUSLIMS.

The "jews" are making up or engineering excuses to invade these countries so they can replace all the NON-INTEREST-CHARGING Islamic banks with Fed-like banking mafias THAT MAKE THE "JEWS" MONEY.

Also, the "jews" are using their media to train Americans to hate SHARIA LAW, not because it gives secondary status to women ("jews" couldn't care less about anyone's status but their own) but because it prohibits the collecting of interest, the "jews" main purpose in living.

SHARIAH LAW CAN ONLY BENEFIT MR. AND MRS. AMERICA. Wouldn't you rather just pay a fee for your mortgage rather than 50% in interest over the life of the loan? IT'S A NO-BRAINER.

The "jews" confuse being filthy rich with being smart. So smart that us mortals can't possibly see what they're up to. But you don't have to be smart to be born into a rich, psychotic family. STOP BELIEVING THE JUDEO-COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA!!! "JEWS" DID 9/11 - NOBODY'S BENEFITED FROM IT MORE THAN THEY HAVE.

DEAN BERRY MINISTRIES: "When you get tired of fighting the truth."

 

You should be able to define it better than me, but IMO, a Moderate Muslim(not a term that I created btw) is a Muslim that claims to be peace-loving and teach that Islam is a religion of peace.

What would you call a Moderate Muslim?

Al Jazeera is Western media?

Again, the cause of Islam is that the whole world be Muslim, so by a few Muslims speaking out against an honor killing is not gonna make it stop and you know that.

Why denounce your faith in the sight of trouble? Are you afraid Allah won't save you or bless you 77 Virgins?

Not one person in the Bible that followed Yeshua(Jesus) denounced the God of Abraham in the sight of trouble. not one. not even Yeshua himself.

So you have verfied for us that Muslims are permitted to lie about their faith in the cause of Islam. a permitted deceit, if you will. .

Lying is a sin in the Bible.

So you basically saying the Muslims worldwide have no control over the ones who are radical? is that it?

I mean you have nuts who try to do crazy things in the name of Christ but that small minority hardly ever raises it ugly head because Christians ain't having that. We let God fight our battles for us. We don't need to blow ourselves up to terrorize people into believing in our religion. This is what the suicide bombers are ultimately doing. Because if you can't resolve your issues with reasoned debate instead of blowing yourself up killing innocent people and not even the intended targets in most cases, what's really your purpose? I'll tell you, FEAR. Fear scares people, it shocks their minds. Muslims know this since they are the most viscious slave traders to ever walk the earth. Google the Muslim slave trade and see for yourself. Mecca was the biggest slave port in Human history. FACT.

That MEANS it remains to be seen. and until then I won't believe you. Taqqiyah

When was the last time you spoke out in public about the vile activity of suicide bombing and the shame it has brought to Islam?

 

Banning religion doesn't nothing but show how weak and incapable of open and free discourse we are. Religion is form of expression and I have not come across a religion that was not compatible with secular and liberty bound principles. In terms of the utility of religion that is highly debatable but it is a fact that without the world would have developed and to hear the suggestion we ought to ban it appears to me to indicate we still have far to go.

 

Got a link I can read for validity?

 

I see you typing but no links. backup your claims

and Lying is part of that rationale too.

Sounds like a bunch of Cowards. I thought if you died in the cause of Islam, you would be a martyr ushered into paradise? or is that just for suicide bombers only?

Yeshua(Jesus) didn't hide his faith in the face of his accusers. THIS is the difference between the God of Abraham and the God of Muhammed.

Yes please. Links, post as many as you find.

I quoted the Quran a few pages back. is that not a book? catch up.

Again,your opiinons mean nothing to me, back them up. as I have done.

Becase the majority of them are confused and indoctrinated with a false doctrine.

A Question for you now? Why are there no pictures of Muhammed's face that we can reference to the Holy Messenger of Allah? Why the secrecy?

The Bible clearly explains to you the features of Christ and GOD in detail.

About Christ:
His head, and his haires were white like wooll as white as snow, and his eyes were as a flame of fire,
- King James Version (1611)


About God:
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
- King James Version (1611)

About Muhammed:
????

About Allah:
?????

 

Islam is atithetical to secularism and liberty.


Quote:
[5.44] ...whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unbelievers.
[5.45] ...whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unjust.
[5.47] ...whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.
...
Ruling by Islam is the most frequent issue discussed in Quran after the belief and creed. Therefore, Khilafah was discussed by many Muslim scholars, the following are the definition of some of them to Khilafah.

1: Ibn Khaldoon defined it as: A representation, of the one who has the right to adopt the divine rules, aimed at protecting the Deen and ruling the world (Dunia) with it.

2: Al-Mawirdi defined it as: Succession of the Prophethood aimed at protecting the Deen and ruling the world (Dunia).
http://alkhilafah.net/s1.html

Islam is not merely a belief, so that it is enough merely to preach it. Islam, which is a way of life, takes practical steps to organize a movement for freeing man. Other societies do not give it any opportunity to organize its followers according to its own method, and hence it is the duty of Islam to annihilate all such systems, as they are obstacles in the way of universal freedom. ...
This religion is really a universal declaration of the freedom of man from servitude to other men and from servitude to his own desires, which is also a form of human servitude; it is a declaration that sovereignty belongs to God alone and that He is the Lord of all the worlds. It means a challenge to all kinds and forms of systems which are based on the concept of the sovereignty of man; in other words, where man has usurped the Divine attribute. Any system in which the final decisions are referred to human beings, and in which the sources of all authority are human, deifies human beings by designating others than God as lords over men.
This declaration means that the usurped authority of God be returned to Him and the usurpers be thrown out-those who by themselves devise laws for others to follow, thus elevating themselves to the status of lords and reducing others to the status of slaves. In short, to proclaim the authority and sovereignty of God means to eliminate all human kingship and to announce the rule of the Sustainer of the universe over the entire earth. ...
After annihilating the tyrannical force, whether it be in a political or a racial form, or in the form of class distinctions within the same race, Islam establishes a new social, economic and political system, in which the concept of the freedom of man is applied in practice.
http://web.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/milestones/hold/chapter_4.htm

Their fascination was arisen after the defenders of democracy and the
defenders of other such false ideologies (who have no religion) defended democracy simply for the sake of it, and they mixed the falsehood with the Truth.
..... They distort the Truth with Falsehood, and mix the Light with the Darkness, and the Polytheism of democracy with the Monotheism of Islam. But we, with the help of Allah, replied to all of these fallacies, and showed that democracy is a religion. But it is not Allah’s religion. It is not the religion of monotheism, and its parliamentary councils are just places of polytheism, and safe havens for paganistic beliefs. All of these must be avoided to achieve monotheism, which is Allah’s right upon His servants. We must destroy those who follow democracy, and we must take their followers as enemies - hate them and wage a great Jihad against them.
Maqdisi
http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/DemocracyReligion.pdf

 

Dr. al-Buti “The Jurisprudence of Muhammad’s Biography”

(p. 287) "It may be said, 'What is the value of a faith in Islam which is a result of a threat? Abu Sufyan, one moment ago, was not a believer, then he believed after he was threatened by death.' We say to those who question: 'What is required of an infidel or the one who confuses other gods with God, is to have his tongue surrender to the religion of God and to subdue himself to the prophethood of Muhammad. But his heartfelt faith is not required at the beginning. It will come later."

For the christians and jews its

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

They are free to choose between death and a life of subjection

And the idolaters-

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

They are free to choose to repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate or ... uh be slayed. Its their choice. No compulsion.

 

Nonsense. Conquests were usually by the sword.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests

 

Islam or death. Justification for the suicide bombers. This is why the "Moderate Muslims" can do nothing to stop them. and they don't want to stop them either. It is the cause of Islam that the entire world be Muslim(in Submission).

 

I doubt you will change your tune if I present it. I will give you such information, but might I ask that you accept your are wrong when I do?

Not at all. Lying is prohibited unless someone has their life threatened.

Yeah, those Jews who fled Germany by lying about their identity were real "cowards" weren't they. You dont seem to understand that that is the context for taqiyya, amongst others. Next time you are in the vicinity of being martyred do tell me how you react.

Like the other Abrahamic faiths, yes - if you die in its defence or proclamation, ie martyrdom. But you may have a family, or feel you would better serve such defence by being alive. Only logical.

Well suicide is prohibited in Islam, as well as the other Abrahamic creeds, so on all three it is considered immoral (mostly).

LOL So why did Jews hide their identity in Nazi Germany? No, all three have historically employed some kind of hiding of ones identity, and rightly so. Islam calls this taqiyya. The other two creeds, to my understanding, do not have a term for it, but all employ it at some stage. Of course martyrdom has been very popular and common in all three. Again I dont see the difference though based on taqiyya. The God of Abraham and the God of Muhammed are the same God. ps. I dont believe Jesus was the son of any God - also he PURPOSEFULLY died to make his point. In Christian teaching he HAD TO DIE. So I dont see how a comparison between 'the lamb who had to be sacrificed' and some guy who just wants to protect his family.

If you answered yes to the question at the start I will provide it.

LOL! So you get information and news on current events from the Quran? That, I have never heard before.

How do you know this? Dont be a child and say 'oh the quran', because the Quran doesn't tell us jack about what Muslims think. For the assertion you just made you will need to give solid evidence that shows what they actually believe.

LOL! Secrecy? haha, well its only for the majority of Sunnis - Shias print and paint pictures of Muhammad all the time. Go to Iran and you can find them displayed on the front of stores. The former do so out of respect derived from a quote from Muhammad whilst the latter do not consider it so strict in its interpretation, if at all.

Perhaps the Bible is BS. I certainly think it is, along with the Quran and Torah.

So... Jesus was albino?

What features are described there? haha

LOL You are quoting the Christian Bible. Quote the Torah and you find any references to Jesus - the guy didnt even fulfill the prophecies. Furthermore, Jesus was no prophet, just a thinker who was persecuted, possibly by his own direction. In the eyes of most Christians, Muhammad is a fraud (in the eyes of others he was blessed by God's goodwill or what have you). To Muslims, Jesus is loved and respected along with the other prophets. To Jews, both Muhammad and Jesus are considered cheats. All three perspectives are incorrect, since there is no such thing as 'divine purpose' or blessing or whatever they call it now. If anything you get out of hear - I dont care about your petty Christian crying about the validity of Jesus and perceived lack of with Muhammad since I dont believe in God to begin with - both of them were two men trying to reform the conditions around them.

 

Not at all. Like any religion, it is not only compatible, but logical for Muslims to endorse such values for the protection and preservation of their own creed and the freedom of others to become Muslims themselves.

Doesnt refute anything I said. They question then becomes, what is the judgment 'revealed by allah', or more importantly, the best way to implement it.

I thought you said it was violence before? haha interesting.

So... your advocacy for a traditional style Caliphate (which style btw since there were MANY different kinds) is derived from a medieval thinker and a pro-caliphate website. haha you'll have to do better. How about the Quran?

Islam bears no contradiction with the idea that secularization and the incorporation of liberty into Islamic political thought are necessary for the true and protected practice of Islam. Hence most Muslims live under secular, or increasingly secular regimes, such as Indonesia the most populous Muslim country in the world.

Take the succinct analysis of Abullah Ahmed An-naim on the very first page of his book Islam and the Secular State: Negotiating the future of Sharia -

'In order to be a Muslim by conviction and free choice, which is the only way one can be a Muslim, I need a secular state... A secular state that facilitates the possibility of religious piety out of honest conviction.'

 

You seem to be confused by the fact that Islam did not only spread via conquest. Conquest was certainly done by the sword, but that was not how so many people came to be Muslim.

 

I dont respond to childish remarks like this. You can quote anything out of context to fit your bill but it wont change reality. I have refuted and explained your ignorant use of these and other quotes and you still persist in using them. Your loss.

 

Only in your mind mate.

 

Grasping for refuge in a strawman, as usual I see.

 

When was that? Youve refuted nothing.

 

You dont comprehend the meaning of seularism.

Shariah law. It is not secularism

Never said any such thing. So full of it.

You dont have a clue. The Caliphates ruled from 632 through the 1920s. Derrived from the teachings of muhammad.

 

Post up. still waiting.

^^^Conflicting reasoning here. You're all over the place...lol..So let me guess, you're an Atheist?

So the captives at Gitmo were lying to get Free? I get it. and Obama sure set em free too. By your logic we should've went ahead and executed the ones we caught and save that tax money, right?

and Again, all over the place...which is it, Taqqiyah? or Matyrdom?

Professional liars is what you become when you covert to Islam.

Sure and I'm Slappy Slewfoot the best tap dancer in the world.

First off, those were not jews. They were Ashkenazi Anglos who converted to Judaism. and they didn't hide either, history tells us that Hitler had them wear yellow armbands to identify them as jews in his country.

and no, the God of Abraham and the God of Muhammed are not the same. The God of Abraham doesn't teach us to hide our faith. go read up..

Matt.10:33
"But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven."

So right there, you don't even know what you're talking about.

My quotes came directly from the Quran. go back and study. I think it's around page 5 or something. I'm not wasting any more time schooling you. It's time you showed some independent responsibility.

Still no links? Wow, your credibility is poop now.

Esau is the father of the Albinos. Yeshua(Jesus) came from the seed of David, a Black Israelite.

look outside. He's all around you. you have to use your third eye to see him though. might be hard for you if you're an Atheist.

The truth finally comes out. Your Ignorance has been exposed.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the door is that way.

 

What period in Human History has Islam not been spread by the sword?

 

How would they accomplish this since all Muslim nations combined have a puny military compared with many non-Muslim world nations?

Christians want to make the entire world Christian too, but it doesn't mean we would actually try to undertake it

 

FEAR. don't need a military when you have solo-acting suicide bombers at will. a small percent can take down a large percent done consistently over time.

The actually beleive Islam will prevail. It won't. sorry.