Will Israel still exist in 2048 ?

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  1. Borat

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    He did not change his tune though. I have never before seen false flag trolling :)
     
  2. Marlowe

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    Silly MAG , I've been to "Israel " - a Holy land tour - and seen Israeli's in their true colours.

    There's no need for me to " accept " them anymore than my grand-parents accepted /tolerated Adolf or Benitto's Fascism .

    But one thing I'm absolutely certain of, is that the Status Quo will not last till 2048. If you think otherwise , then you're a first class / top prize - meshugenah.

    tatty byeee
     
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    Oh you had your part in it also... Hell you maybe one and the same... Sock Puppet are a common occurence on this forum.
     
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    BO-Rat . once again spewing half truths.

    Many Jews managed to escape Nazi persecution + transfer their savings/wealth /belongs VIA SWITZERLAND.

    Switzerland (the state ) was totally neutral and treated each person/depositor , irrespective of race /colour/cread - the same.

    Bo-Rat get the facts and stop lying , most of us have long ago buying your lies.

    Even before the beginning of World War II, many Jews sought to escape from countries under Nazi control. Between 1933 and 1939, more than 90,000 German and Austrian Jews fled to neighboring countries (France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Czechoslovakia, and Switzerland). After the war began on September 1, 1939, escape became much more difficult. Nazi Germany technically permitted emigration from the Reich until November 1941. Just as in the instances of children, Jews of all ages were able to hide throughout Europe more easily if they were able to pass as non-Jew. Passing as non-Jewish often required Jews to change their names and convert to Christianity. European countries including Holland, England, Belgium and Switzerland accepted from 9,000 to 80,000 Jews emigrating and hiding from the reign of the Third Reich.


    On the other hand we've got this Ben Gurion quote
    according to JewsAgainstZionist :

    - ""If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter."
    -- David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion.


    IF you ever capable of removing your blinkers you'l discover that Zionists leaders cared more abt promoting their own political agenda than about Holocaust victims.



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  5. Marlowe

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    You mean like you + Bo-Rat or others plugged into the same Israel firsters/Hasbarists / Ministry of Truth - brain ?
     
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    in 1996 Swiss President Kaspar Villiger officially apologized for his country's wartime treatment of Jews.

    Hitler's Silent Partners: Swiss banks...
     
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    Nice deflection. Kaspar Villiger did not apologize for saving the lives of thousands of Jews, which must be why Switzerland often appears to be unconditionally hated by so many Nazis and Zionists:

    Hitler hated Switzerland – which he called a "pimple" on the face of Europe
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/stagnaro5.html
     
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    True , but people like Bo-Rat was'nt told that Rothschild used his swiss contacts to transfer large amounts from Germany and Austria to Jewish accounts in London and that Theodor Herzl convened the first Zionist Congress on Swiss territory, in the city of Basel.



    Minor details not taught at Bo_rat's + Noxfoks - Jew school. :)
     
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    yep........
     
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    Switzerland endorsed Hitler's anti-semitic views.

    This was found by the independent commission established in Switzerland to look into its role on the war. Fascinating. I quote:

    "Inherent in this tradition was the fact that, economically speaking, the Swiss
    government had always supported the free, cross-border exchange of goods,
    capital, and services and in this respect opposed restriction, or accepted it only very reluctantly. The policies pursued as regards asylum-seekers, refugees and other undesirable immigrants, however, represented a stark contrast to the image of Switzerland as a humanitarian and open country. Foreign money, of course, protected by the principles of client protection and banking secrecy, was very welcome; desperate people attempting to flee from the threat of deprivation and persecution by the Nazi regime were often refused entry. The results contained in this report on the whole endorse the findings of earlier research: measured against its previous stand in terms of humanitarian aid and asylum where its refugee policy was concerned, neutral Switzerland not only failed to live up to its own standards, but also violated fundamental humanitarian principles.
    By and by, draconian measures were introduced: in 1938, that is to say before the outbreak of war, the Swiss authorities asked Nazi Germany to mark the passports of Jewish citizens of the Reich with a «J»; as they did not want to recognise persons persecuted by the German authorities for racial motives as worthy of asylum. In a move that marked a watershed in 1942 at a time when Switzerland, due to its geographical position, was for many people the only hope of flight and rescue, the country closed its borders and refused to include Jewish children among the children brought into Switzerland for a holiday. It is clear that anti-Semitic attitudes, open or concealed, contributed to such decisions by the authorities; such attitudes had become apparent in the discrimination experienced from the 1920s onwards by those Jews who wished to become naturalised after living in Switzerland for many years. Even the diplomatic protection the Swiss government extended to Swiss Jews and their assets abroad was grudging both on the legal and the political plane after the spring of 1938.
    Mention must be made of the fact that, after the war, when the compensation
    of Nazi victims was being discussed, attempts were made to «dispose of» the
    consequences of the erstwhile refugee policy if possible without any public
    debate.
    Even after 1944/45, it was only after a long struggle that Switzerland decided
    to grant long-term residency to former victims of persecution. It continued to
    uphold the view that these refugees should be tolerated only temporarily. Well into the post-war period, people who had been persecuted during the Nazi era were still refused entry on cultural or ethnic grounds".
    http://www.uek.ch/en/schlussbericht/synthesis/ueke.pdf from page 498
     
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    If Israel doesn't still exist, there will be blood on the hands of everyone that made it happen. You will have all made Hitler very proud.
     
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    Nice deflection from the thread topic. Switzerland is a collection of individuals with differing views on differing issues, not one individual to be hated, as some Zionists and Nazis may seem to believe.
     
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    Israel exists as much as Palestine exists, existing or not according to the view of the individual.
     
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    By the same logic zionists are also individuals not so and not one individual to be hated? However you criticize their policies. So the commission criticised the Swiss. If you have an issue with what the independent Swiss commission found regarding your country, you might want to question their credibility. Do you?
     
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    Well, it depends on the willingness of German and American taxpayers to pay for this crazy project.

    The ethnic and racial faces of America and Europe are rapidly changing.

    In 2048 Muslims and Mexicans will probably outnumber the native Americans and Germans, and they will refuse to finance the criminal activities of the Zionist regime.
     
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    I am an American Zionist. I support/criticize Palestine and Israel, and I don't generalize against people in a heavily racist manner, like how you love doing so. Why do you honor the very same racism when led to the Holocaust? Have you ever heard of "Never Again"? One does not achieve "Never Again" by generalizing against people in a heavily racist manner, like how you love doing so. Like I said, it does not bother me that Zionists and Nazis hate Switzerland. I just find it sad that they have so little respect for Israel.
     
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    You should raise this criticsm of the Commission as I have quoted their words.

    Do you dispute their findings that " It is clear that anti-Semitic attitudes, open or concealed, contributed to such decisions by the authorities; such attitudes had become apparent in the discrimination experienced from the 1920s onwards by those Jews who wished to become naturalised after living in Switzerland for many years. Even the diplomatic protection the Swiss government extended to Swiss Jews and their assets abroad was grudging both on the legal and the political plane after the spring of 1938".

    Is this wrong? Please rebut the Commission's report, if you are able. Otherwise it stands.
     
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    Zionists have blood soaked hands, they have built their towns on the bones of killed Palestinians.
     
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    "Anti-Semitic" is a stupid term, invented by stupid Zionists who themselves hate Semites (speak Arabs).
     
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    Your buddy already pointed out that Switzerland apologized (more than once):

    If it disgusts you that Switzerland apologized several times, then create a thread where those Zionists interested can allow their uncontrolled racist hatred of Switzerland flow freely without deflecting other thread topics. Like I said, it does not bother me that Zionists and Nazis hate Switzerland. How often does one have to apologize to a racist until the apology will be accepted? I fear that some Nazis and Zionists hate Switzerland so greatly, that no apology will ever cause them to stop hating the innocent.
     
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    It is silly to apologize to a racist, isn't it?
     
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    When you read the commission's report it becomes clear that thousands of jews being saved is a disingenius claim, when the commission founds that the Swiss shared the anti-semitic views of the nazis before, during and after the war.

    It is a term first coined by our very own nazi ancestors. Perhaps you should raise it with the Führer....

    No one hates the Swiss TJ. The Commission criticised their anti-semitic conduct. No mention of hate involved. The Swiss were quite right to apologize and to admit to their disgraceful conduct.
     
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    Yes, it is silly to apologize to one who won't accept an apology. Yet, it is still honorable to make a deserving apology even when such is not accepted.
     
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    Switzerland did right and wrong during WWII, like everyone else.

    Tell us more about the ancestry of forum members you know nothing of.

    Great, so some Swiss did right, others did wrong, the government apologized and now everyone is happy. What was the thread topic again? Deflection for Dummies? The idiotic elements of certain Zionist variations? Will Israel still exist in 2048? Not at the going rate.
     
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    I know how you feel TJ. I am surely young enough not to be blameworthy for the conduct of my ancestors. But still, unlike you, I do not see myself in the role of a victim of injustice as I recognize that others suffered more.

    And the answer to your question of when it is enough apologizing: never.

    It doesn't hurt though to be sorry. It implies no guilt, only regret and empathy.

    Try it.

    another tip: when someone reminds you of the fact that the Swiss did not save innocent from their death, it is advisable not to deny that point or claim that you are being treated in a racist way when race doesn't factor into the equation. In such case, your apology doesn't ring true.:)
     
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