A "Free Kurdistan" might well be the chief corporate talking point for what looks like a redrawing of the nearly one hundred year old borders of the Middle East. Iraq, Iran, and Turkey will all lose significant amounts on land. Given the long history of Kurdish persecution in that part of the world, many will likely celebrate a "free" Kurdish homeland. It's suggested Turkey will be compensated for its losses with membership in the EU at the same time Israel will officially join NATO: From October, 2012 "The borders of Syria and Lebanon are surrounded. British and US troops are stationed in Jordan, The Turkish High Command in liaison with NATO is providing military support to the Free Syrian Army. Allied naval forces are deployed in the Eastern Mediterranean. "According to a recent report of the Israeli Intelligence News Service Debka: “'US troops sent to the Jordan-Syria border are helping build a headquarters in Jordan to bolster its military capabilities in case violence spills over from Syria, suggesting deepening US military intervention in the Syrian conflict. "'The deployment of allied troops on Syria’s southern border is coordinated with actions taken by Turkey and its allies on Syria’s Northern border. "'Meanwhile, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has demanded the support of NATO against Syria under the doctrine of collective security.'We will do what needs to be done if our border is violated again,' he told reporters on October 13. "Foreign Minister Davutoglu pointed to the alleged violation of Turkey’s border by Syria as a violation of NATO’s borders. Under Article 5 of the Washington Treaty, an attack on one member state of the Atlantic Alliance is considered as an attack against all NATO member states. “'In this context, we expect the support of our allies' said Foreign Minister Davutoglu, intimating that both Germany and other member states of the Atlantic Alliance should act to defend' Turkey under the doctrine of Collective Security: “if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence … will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area… (See full text of Article 5 of the Washington Treaty, April 1949)" http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-on-lebanon-and-the-battle-for-oil/2824
No, I don't see Syria breaking up. The Kurdish piece is small compared to Turkey, who we care about, and Iran, who we don't. The USA missed the chance to push Kurdistan into the world when we invaded Iraq in 2003. We could have carved that nation up and created the first piece of a Kurdish state, but we didn't because that would have threatened Turkey and we wouldn't do that with our current state of diplomacy, and anyway that Iraq Kurdish piece is very small too. The NATO alliance probably doesn't want trouble in Turkey either because we can't help them after being stretched so thin because of the War on Terrorism and the Arab Spring, just like we couldn't help Georgia during the Russian invasion of 2008 (Even though I think that Georgia deserved what they got after their invasion of South Ossetia).
I certainly hope it does, then. I love reading about muslim suffering and watching it on the news. Yep, those muslims never whould have flown planes into those buildings in 2001. Their entire world is burning in ruins or about to.
I think Georgia deserved its fate after its South Ossetian adventure, as well; however, I think you might be underestimating NATO's current military prowess. From Wiki: "After its formation in 1949, NATO grew by including Greece and Turkey in 1952 and West Germany in 1955, and then later Spain in 1982. After the Cold War ended, and Germany reunited in 1990, there was a debate in NATO about continued expansion eastward. In 1999, Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic joined the organization, amid much debate within the organization and Russian opposition.[1][2] "Another expansion came with the accession of seven Central and Eastern European countries: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania. These nations were first invited to start talks of membership during the 2002 Prague summit, and joined NATO on 29 March 2004, shortly before the 2004 Istanbul summit. Most recently, Albania and Croatia joined on 1 April 2009, shortly before the 2009 Strasbourg–Kehl summit." There's a considerably darker vision of NATO which, as of March 2011, was conducting operations in the Atlantic, Arctic, and Indian Oceans as well as countries on four continents; the ultimate end game of these adventures may be directed at regime change in Russia.
The problem with Turkey is that it's a reverse-hotspot -- it's in a bad place but we pretend that it isn't -- they are descending into Islamic extremism on the government level, and I well expect that in a few years Turkey will be calling up NATO to help them genocide their society's secular elements just like Syria called up Russia to help them kill off the Islamic extremist rebels. Then we'll really be in a moral bind on what to do with Turkey and the NATO alliance.
There will be suffering of Biblical proportions in the Muslim world. Too bad they don't read the Bible and so won't understand. Suffering without knowing why is the funniest.
Country? more like a smoking heap of rubble filled with death and disease with little medical treatment. The crops have been destroyed and they have no money left to buy food or medicine. Somalia in 1993 was better off, lol. It doesn't matter who wins as they will be losers inheriting a ruined cesspool of death. Praise Allah.
SAA is regaining territory in Homs, Damascus area. The coastal areas are secure. There are trouble areas such as Raqqah and Deir Ez Zor and Idlib. Something big is happening in Aleppo. The Kurds have begun to fight the rebels in all areas. This benefits the SAA. Once SAA controls Homs and Damascus areas, this will free up forces to go after Aleppo. Raqqah and Deir Ez Zor will be a challenge due to their remote locations. - - - Updated - - - Praise Syrian Army and Bashar al-Assad!
To the muslims, it ain't Monday yet. We are going to exterminate you for messing with us and coming to our countries. You will wish for the good Old days of the Crusades. Die.
That news is outdated. The Al Nusra terrorists have been sent into northern Syria by Turkey to fight the Kurds and they together with the FSA have been defeated. This is the section that borders the area in Turkey where the Kurds live. The Kurds have raised their flag where it can be seen in Turkey, and are now going to form an administration. They have notified the EU and the UN so that everything can be done in order. Erdogan is freaking out about it, and Devotoglu is making threats, but they were given a warning by Assad over a year ago to stop interfering in Syria. As for Turkey being invited to join the EU, well they were invited quite a few years ago but they have not opened any of the chapters they were supposed to open except for the economic one, something which has cost the EU over a billion a year in aid towards Turkey. Other than that, Merkle has received insults from Erdogan when the hard handedness of the police towards the protesters was criticized.
It is good you added "no ill intent" otherwise the police might come knocking at your door... But don't you worry, the body is old, only the mind is young.
Actually she is 20 as she states this in her Profile which I should have checked first. I asked her so I could know how to associate with her as I know a good deal about China as well as can speak Chinese to a moderate extent. I posted something to her in Chinese and she knew what it meant thus I was pleasantly surprised as sometimes on these forums a member will pretend to be for a place they are not. She is genuine...although she is living in Helsinki. LOL! AboveAlpha
If you're right about that descent into Islamic fundamentalism, how will the majority of Turks respond to their government's alliance with Israel? "What has to be understood is that countries like Turkey and Saudi Arabia conceal their collaboration with Tel Aviv due to the heavy opposition against the Israeli occupation of Palestine among their respective societies. What is also important to note is that a Turkish jet was downed in 2012 by Syria when it was following a route that was used by Israeli jets near the Syrian-Turkish border. "The use of this aerial route by Tel Aviv has never really been challenged by Turkey. "It is also part of an important pattern that shows how close the tactics used by Israel and Turkey against Syria are." http://www.globalresearch.ca/from-turkey-with-love-another-israeli-attack-on-syria/5343382 Disclaimer: I'm not offering these statements from Global Research as facts. Only opinions that aren't often found in the corporate press.
To be honest I don't know what the Turkish citizens think about their alliance with Israel. I don't know if they personally care, but I don't think care. Israel is a side issue regarding Islamic fundamentalism. It's like those countries to the east of India, like Bangladesh or Indonesia, where Islam is a goal into itself and they aren't personally invested in the Israeli-Palestinian state issue. I think NATO cares about Turkey so they won't push for a Kurdish state in Syria because of the possibility of civil war in Turkey from Kurdish Turks. And, since they are helping us in the War On Terror we turn a blind eye to their internal politics.
What little I've read about Turkish politics has lead me to believe Turks outside the major cities hold very conservative political views based on nationalism and religious fundamentalism. For decades, Turkish elites have viewed Israel as a democratic ally in a region of the world with few democracies. "In 1998, when Ankara confronted Damascus over its support for the PKK, (Kurdistan Workers Party) Turkish newspapers wrote headlines championing the Turkish-Israeli alliance: 'We will say "shalom" to the Israelis on the Golan Heights,' one read." "The AKP, however, viewed Turkey's interests through a different lens -- one colored by a politicized take on religion, namely Islamism. Senior AKP officials called the 2004 U.S. offensive in Fallujah, Iraq, a 'genocide,' and in February 2009, Erdogan compared Gaza to a 'concentration camp.'" http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/65661/soner-cagaptay/is-turkey-leaving-the-west I don't know if Turkey's military has the same vested stake in the Turkish economy as Pakistan's and Egypt's possess in their countries, and given the recent purges of top military leaders by Erdogan, I'm not sure if secular forces in that country can resist an Islamist groundswell.
It's BROKEN !!!! Even if Assad wins , It will take Syrians 20 years ( hard ones ) to build their country to what it was before the war....
I agree about it taking 20 years. When the civil war ends, Syria will take Saudi Arabia and Qatar to international courts and force them to pay for the mess they did in Syria.
If there's such a thing as Justice in this world , then I hope ALL those who connived in Syria's ruination shall in time be forced to pay for their devious deeds. ... VIVA - SYREE-A
