Will technology ever give us a real afterlife?

We'll see how that goes. I think God gives everyone a parting chance. I think many refuse that last Mercy like they did throughout their lives. Here's hoping at your last, you remember this and take Him up on the offer.

 

Daggdag, et al,

Downloading the content of the human mind may (or many be not) be possible in the future. But content is not the end of the story. The genetic operation of the mind and how it is hardwired to process and react with the information is more than just retaining, recovering, and restoring surviving data.

(COMMENT)

Being immortal is more than the sum of the stored information. The new mechanism (the new processor to accept the download) must simulate and precisely emulate the way in which the previous processor (a genetically engineered bio-electric mechanism that matured to the same DNA specific form equivalent to the same synaptic interconnections) captures, analyzes and perceives new information and integrates it with perviously restored information.

While easy to say, it would be the greatest technological achievement since the control of fire.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

Not quite. Still need to figure out how to escape universal heat death. Or the Big Rip, depending on how you think universe will end.

 

The joke is a little older - we got it from the light. It's by the way interessting that "the moon" is male in the german language and "the sun" is female. We are using "The sun" normally as a symbol for god father but the father is the sun. I guess if we will be doing church service on Star Trek then we will use a sun as tabernacle.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_tkOzLpg5M

 

Ah the difference between science and philosophy.

At some point it will be technologically possible to replicate the sum of your knowledge, experience, emotions, likes, dislikes, into a computer or even another body.

However, at the moment of "conscienceness," that "being" would stop being "you" and take on am existence of its own.

Even if it were an exact replica everything it experienced from that point would be different from you.

Would that make it a "new" person?

I experience "new" things every day that change who I am. I am not the same person I was yesterday and I will not be the same person tomorrow.
In a sense, the "new" person would be a continuation of you but it would not be "you."

 

I am my brain part electrical part organic. A computer software copy would be a bad copy. However the tech for self repair brain centers could keep us alive indefinitely.

 

In the marmelade glass of grandmother?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj4wq6IQIeI

 

Merely trying to answer the "power supply" question. Could be solar...could be some means of generating electrical power from gravity for all I know. Point is, that a nearly perfect system could be developed to hold the "downloaded" person....enough to last 1000s if not millions of years. (That brings up the question as to whether one would WANT to live that long.....a good question for those who believe in Heaven and have to think about ways to spend their ETERNITY there. After a few million years, "singing God's praises" just MIGHT get a little tedious. )

The reference from ST is where Kirk and company land on a "Roman Empire world" and meet renegades and runaway slaves who say they "worship the Sun"....later it is revealed by Uhura that they didn't mean the "Sun" up in the sky....but the "Son" of God.

It's what's known in science fiction as a "Shaggy God story".

 

I'm not talking about stored information. I meant downloading a person's entire mind....their memories, personality, etc.........(Look at Mr. House, from Fallout: New Vegas as an example)

 

As space and resources in a confined space are limited you can bet that any techno immortality would be reserved for a self chosen few. Such a human concocted immortality I fear would quickly become a living hell.

 

Part of my personality are for example my mother and friends - and I hope also god is part of my personality. History is for sure part of my personality: Yesterday "they" catched the children of Izieu [= part of my personality] - today "they" are torturing Jesus. Another day in Eastertide I was a little child who read a letter "He denied to eat something and I died" was written there - then I realized: "It was my uncle - "they" [=part of my personality] had murdered my Uncle" - And now in the moment I remember the wonderful loud laughter and deep warmth of my mother and her words - I remember her message: "Never give up - whatever happens - never give up! Never to give up forces everything." But I gave up from time to time - and maybe even my greatest victory was to give up - against me. And I see also the message of Mr. Bush "mission accomplished" [the love of my mother for America is part of my personality] and this message hurted me. The love for life is part of my personality. I - [I am on my own also a part of my personality] - "knew" lots of problems will start now and the situation will grow out of control. I saw "they" are in us now - the murderes, the tortureres are leading us. And then I saw the pictures of tortures and I had to realize my deep pain when I understood that Guantanamo is a concentratrion camp [part of my personality]. 'Who am I and if "yes" how many?' - and why am I able to suffer what never someone did to me? ...

[video=youtube;_9CnnYhFQHY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9CnnYhFQHY[/video]

 

Daggdag, et al,

A memory, within the mind, is data. It is a record of of a past events in a stored form.

A personality is a process consequence; how the boi-electric mechanism reacts to new data in the integration process with the old data.

(COMMENT)

The brain, which is the firmware of the mind, is remarkably similar from person to person. Assuming not abnormality, all the functions that make-up who we are and what we can mentally perform, are all in the form as the rest of us. Yet, the abilities are vastly different. We all have essentially the same equipment as Albert Einstein, yet it is unlikely that we will see someone with Einstein's abilities for another century (or two). There were more than two centuries between Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton; and many believe that they both had a mild form of Asperger's Syndrome.

As for Mr House, there is a disconnect between the personality exhibited by the Network Interface caricature and that exhibited by the body within the sarcophagus.

(QUESTION)

Genetics pays a part. How would it effect the outcomes of a download if the you had two downloads, one with the qualities of the MAO-A Gene and VMAT-2 Gene, and then one without such genes?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

Ahhh... now this I like. You can rest assured that I will take the God up on His offer, should He pop up on the day of my death. I will go right to repeating the mantras taught to me in Sunday School about forgiveness and repentance. I'm going to get in one way or another! I just simply can not claim to believe something (and certainly not choose to believe something) which seems untrue to me, and that is what God is to me at this point. So I am either doomed or, like you say, He will give me another chance when I die.

I do want to live forever. It's just a problem that Christianity doesn't make much sense and seems untrue. If it proves true, I won't hesitate to jump on that bandwagon. Eternal life sounds good to me! I think we'd better keep working on it technologically, just in case.

(sorry to bump such an old thread, I have been away for several months)

 

Perhaps. But many people claim that life on Earth is a living hell, even though I have always thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

Yes, you will live forever, but like a robot. I doubt even the alien have the technology save conscience and soul, it's too complicated than the body and brain.

 

Don't afraid the one who can only kill your body, but afraid the one who can destroy your soul.

 

Unless you are beautiful, why would you want to clone your body?

As it is we have ugly old rich men having their dead bodies flash frozen and kept for a time when the disease they died from is curable.

I have read that if you are enveloped in a vacuum domain your DNA would be instantly corrected. But then if they contain too much energy they would kill you.
Here's and interesting article for you. I haven't read it all, so don't know if it says this.
http://power.healingmindn.com/2008/04/25/ball-lightning-orbs-and-vacuum-domains/#.Uf7Us9JOPEk

DNA can be reprogrammed by Words. Thus the validity of positive affirmations.
Here's a scientific article:
http://www.realitysandwich.com/wormholes_our_dna

The Mind exists outside the body. Your brain is not your mind.

 

Your point is fantastic. Still is the question about how independent you will be inside the internet system. Most computers will take you as a virus, and Norton anti-virus will put you in quarantine and remove you and destroy you. Who will want you playing noisy in their computers?

Several companies will make you their slave, because you are an easy prey to isolate and be manipulated.

Are you sure you want to "survive" that way?

 

Most Americans have no interest in living long lives. So why would any rational person want to live forever?


http://www.pewforum.org/2013/08/06/...-medical-advances-and-radical-life-extension/

 

I want to live for a thousand years maybe. But only if I have a steady job to pay the bills. Living paycheck to paycheck or with no paycheck sucks.

 

Imagine what your life would have been like if you had lived for 1,000 years between the years 1013-2013. Where would you have wanted to have lived during that time period?

 

I don't think any single place would qualify for the entire thousand years. The past 200ish years the answer would be America. But prior to that.... Now the next 1000 years is going to be exciting.

 

If that's true, then why is health care such a hot debate topic? Americans want to live forever. If they didn't, they wouldn't insist that someone else pay for their ungodly expensive treatments to extend their lives. They just don't want to admit that they want to live forever because that seems to fly in the face of their magical paradise their Magic Man has built for them.

Reality of the politicization of health care disproves this notion that people don't want to live forever. Of course they do.

The very existence of all of these religions which promise just such a thing also proves it. So PUH LEASE.

 

All religions that teach an after-life clearly state that you have to die first in order to get to its promised land. You never get there if you're alive.

The recent poll determined that the majority of Americans do not want to live very long physical lives. They want to live healthy lives for as long as they are alive. That's why they want a good health care system.

[h=1]Want to live to 120? Most Americans say no, Pew poll finds[/h]

"Roughly half of Americans surveyed by the Pew Research Center said medical treatments that stretch lifespans to 120 years or more would be bad for society. Even more shunned the idea of undergoing such treatments to extend their own lives, Pew found."​

http://www.latimes.com/news/science...dical-life-extension-20130802,0,5554402.story

 

Polls can't be always trusted, because questions are made in that way that will favor the intention of the host.

If you have the transcript of the questions made in such a poll, we might be in position to judge its partiality.