Will the War in Gaza Ignite the Middle East?..Israel and Iran On a Collision Course

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  1. Durandal

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    They know that they and their proxies are in trouble and life is about to be more difficult for them.
     
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    I think that a strike on the Revolutionary Guard in country would be the only answer in kind with any meaning. It has to hurt the home team or it simply won't have any meaning.
     
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    Not likely to happen. Iran would definitely respond to that directly, putting Biden in an even bigger bind. Even going after Iran's "spy ship" in the Red Sea would run a big risk but it is slightly more likely.
     
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    War is no place for the faint heart.
     
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    Iran has simply lied. You know it. I know it.
     
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    Yes,one has to be so couregeous to press buttons and wiggle joysticks Infront of a big screen
     
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    Somebody has to order such an activity, someone in the West has to have the courage of an Iranian cleric and answer in kind. That would be Doomsday Joe.
     
  8. Iranian Monitor

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    I know neither one of us is in any position to "know", but I believe Iran doesn't instruct these groups. It does support them, as it admits, but probably to a much greater extent it feels comfortable sharing.
     
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    Biden’s Options Range From Unsatisfying to Risky After American Deaths
    David E. Sanger
    Mon, January 29, 2024 at 12:24 PM CST

    Even before the drone strike that killed three U.S. service members in Jordan on Sunday, the Biden administration was planning for a moment just like this, debating how it might strike back in ways that would deter Iran’s proxy forces and send a message that Iran would not miss.

    But the options range from the unsatisfying to the highly risky.

    President Joe Biden could order strikes on the proxy forces, a major escalation of the whack-a-mole attacks it has conducted in recent weeks in Syria, Iraq and Yemen. So far, those attacks have put a dent into the abilities of the Iranian-backed groups that have mounted more than 160 attacks. But they have failed, as Biden himself noted 10 days ago, to deter those groups.

    ... https://news.yahoo.com/biden-options-range-unsatisfying-risky-182446875.html

    Go big or go home, I say.
     
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    I don't think there is any doubt on anyone's part that these groups are trained, armed and supported by Iran. Nobody in this life cares how many Houthis, Hezbola or ISIS get blown up. Time to take it to the people responsible. No more "Better watch that ****"
     
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    Today state television showed Iran's Supreme Leader touring Iran's nuclear facilities without making any public comments. You could interpret that as you wish:
    1. he didn't want to add fuel to the fire because he is worried;
    2. he didn't think anything worthy of comment had happened;
    3. he was sending a message that Iran could up the ante without even firing a shot by just taking the short steps necessary for it to become a full fledged nuclear power.
     
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    At this point it shouldn't be up to him where this goes.
     
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    Someone has to be courageous enough to say "no, the solution can NOT be a military one."
     
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    Isn't that what we've been doing? No, it's time to blow up something our friends in Iran value, and then we can see about some kind of peace agreement.
     
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    Lol, we have been doing everything BUT that. We've been trying to blow **** up since 2001, and it has done nothing but cost our soldiers their lives, cost the taxpayers trillions, and given our enemies bragging rights for driving off what is supposed to be the strongest nation on earth. We are WAY too reliant on our military, when we should be using diplomacy. We have only paid lip service to diplomacy over the decades only when it is overwhelmingly in our favor to do so. That is a recipe for disaster, as we have seen.
     
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    We've been blowing up the wrong ****.
     
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    They can say it in Farsi and we'll stop
     
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    Go home.
     
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    Do you want a second Holocaust and for our adversaries to control the Suez?
     
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    No.

    That's why I oppose the National Socialist government of Israel. I want Israel's genocide stopped and their government overthrown.

    Do you support Israel's genocide?

     
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    The acquisition of new land and soil for the settling of the superfluous population had no end of advantages.

    - Adolf Hitler, from Mein Kampf, Volume I, Chapter IV, "Munich"

    I would welcome a restoration of David's Empire. However, I think this should only be achieved in response to future acts of Arab aggression.

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    Right now I desire the deportation of the Palestinians in order to create more land for the Jews to settle in. .

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    The Jews are the most accomplished 0.2% of the human population. They deserve the best.

    I am not Jewish, by the way. I would not praise them if I was. Jews are humble about their superiority.
     
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    You cannot claim to oppose terrorism and still support what ethical Jews regard as blatant genocide:


    “A Textbook Case of Genocide”

    “Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?”

    https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

    EXCERPTS "I say this as a scholar of genocide, who has spent many years writing about Israeli mass violence against Palestinians. I have written about settler colonialism and Jewish supremacy in Israel, the distortion of the Holocaust to boost the Israeli arms industry, the weaponization of antisemitism accusations to justify Israeli violence against Palestinians, and the racist regime of Israeli apartheid. “

    “Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.”

    Indeed, Israel’s genocidal assault on Gaza is quite explicit, open, and unashamed. Perpetrators of genocide usually do not express their intentions so clearly,

    Israel’s goal is to destroy the Palestinians of Gaza. And those of us watching around the world are derelict in our responsibility to prevent them from doing so.” CONTINUED
     
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    Conservative Democrat liked your post @Durandal . Do you like his?
     
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    No, the destruction of Gaza men, women and children and annexation of Gaza has long been part of a Zionist, "Greater Israel" scheme.

    The genocidal Zionists you support even began murdering and stealing from West Bank Palestinians (1) who had nothing to do with the suspicious events on 7 October 2023.

    If Netanyahu and his genocidal psycho-Settlers didn't intend to systematically exterminate all of Palestine's native residents, why are they murdering Palestine's native residents who had nothing to do with 7 October 2023?



    (1). "Israel Must Loudly Arrest the Murderous West Bank Settlers"
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/11/israel-west-bank-palestinians-settlers-violence.html

    EXCERPT "Since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack, settlers there have killed more than 120 Palestinians and injured at least 2,000. They have forcibly expelled more than 800 Palestinians from their homes, blown up their generators and solar panels, and burned down tents of Bedouin herders.

    Again: This has been going on not in Gaza but in the West Bank—which is governed by the Palestinian Authority, not by Hamas." CONTINUED
     
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    Isn't this what the Palestinians wanted? What do you think they were hoping to achieve when they broke the ceasefire and murdered all those Israelis, including women and children?
     

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