Will you support Trump if he is convicted of a crime?

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    fixed the economy? LOL
     
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    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    At the request of NARA Trump returned 15 boxes of documents in January 2022.
    In May of 2022 more documents were subpoenaed. Those were turned over in June of 2022
    A search warrant waw issued in August of 2022 where even MORE documents were found. Trump filed suit to prevent the FBI from viewing those documents and, with the help of Aileen Cannon, was able to delay the FBI from getting at those documents until December 2022 when the 11th Circuit unanimously overturned Cannon's rulings on the case and, in fact, overruled her ruling that she even had jurisdiction over the case.

    June 2023 Trump is charged in Florida. Part of the charges (the majority of the charges) are violation of 18 USC 793(e) "Willful Retention of Documents Relating to the National Defense". Part of that is the fact that Trump refused to return documents. The FBI could not know what documents Trump refused to return because Cannon was preventing them from viewing the documents.

    So from the time the FBI finally got to view all the documents seized to the time he was charged was about 7 months. Is that fast enough for you?

    And now, of course, Cannon is slow rolling THIS case. The delays are coming from Trump and his hand puppet judge.
     
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  3. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I would say that. As I said in another thread, there are much better arguments than the 2nd A to defend gun ownership. Maybe some of them would leave us "gun-grabbers" with no response. I won't tell you what they are because that would undermine my case. You'll have to find out on your own. But if non-partisan justices were to base decisions in THOSE, which are REAL arguments (not idiotic non-sequiturs like the 2nd A) we could reach an intermediate agreement that would save lives but not undermine gun ownership by honest folk, and the debate would be over.

    Biden is ALREADY more zealous than Trump. Or maybe I should say: more effective!

    Both issues off-topic here, though. So I will say no more....
     
  4. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The senile turd we are both addressing has said he's done all he can to stop record illegal immigration (including the baseless claims of asylum). Of course we know all he has to do is rescind the executive actions against what the Trump administration had in place and return us to the lows of 2019. Now his illegals are kicking the crap out of New York cops and being set free to do more. Illegal immigrant criminals are organizing as well as terrorists and with the lame prosecutions across this nation I just wonder how you can justify what is going on. Perhaps you like turning the sovereignty over to those that would reduce us to third world status. It sure seems that way!
     
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  5. Bullseye

    Bullseye Well-Known Member

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    . Yep, I knew it all. See if you can figure out WHY.
     
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    I don't support him now but I might change my mind if he falls victim to political prosecutions.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    that's not only completely wrong its so silly I am laughing. I forget more about constitutional scholarship daily than your posts indicate you understand. You are on record wanting to ban all guns. Anything you support is designed to advance complete gun bans
     
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  8. The Ant

    The Ant Well-Known Member

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    You mean if he is found guilty by juries of his peers for the crimes indicted by grand juries of his peers…!

    Let me guess…you’re already rehearsing your “the election was stolen” lines for when he is defeated in November…?
     
  9. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    I have figured out why the Republican controlled House will not pass any articles. I have not figured out why they kept driving down a road with big fat 'No Detour' roadsigns sitting every few feet they drove = except of course it played well with MAGA radicals both in and out of Washington..
     
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  10. Zorro

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    If it's an unjust unfair process, it won't reflect badly on Trump but on those pressing the unjust farce.

    'Arbitrary Enforcement' Roils Classified Documents Case

    'Judge Aileen Cannon noted the selective prosecution of Donald Trump for keeping national defense papers the same week Special Counsel Robert Hur publicly defended his decision not to charge' Bribed Joe.

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    'The government’s indictment accuses the former president of “having unauthorized possession of, access to, and control over documents relating to the national defense, did willfully retain the documents and fail to deliver them to the officer and employee of the United States entitled to receive them.”'

    Ghost Rider

    'Just 48 hours earlier, former Special Counsel Robert Hur, appointed to investigate Joe Biden’s hoarding of classified records at numerous locations over a period of years, defended his decision not to charge Biden or his ghostwriter for similar offenses.'

    'Hur’s investigation determined that Zwonitzer, who wrote Biden’s book, “Promise Me, Dad,” deleted recordings of Biden that proved he knew he had classified files in his possession—tapes the ghostwriter destroyed after Hur’s appointment was announced.'

    'The recordings, Hur concluded, had “significant evidentiary value.” Among the deleted audio files was a February 2017 interview when Biden told Zwonitzer he "just found all the classified stuff downstairs,” referring to top secret files related to the war in Afghanistan and a 2009 memo Biden wrote to President Obama about his opposition to troop surges in the region.'

    'But Hur declined to bring espionage or obstruction charges against Biden and Zwonitzer despite conduct, as I explained here, far more egregious than what Trump is accused of doing.'

    Read the whole thing.
     
  11. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    So your answer is that it makes no difference if he is proven guilty in a court of law, you will STILL support him.

    That's fine. No need for your conspiracy theories. The justice system that will put Trump in prison is the same one that jails child abusers, bank thieves, ... or the likes of Blagojevich and... Ted Bundy, I was just trying to see who is serious about not electing a proven criminal, and who will support them no matter what evidence exists.
     
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  12. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    My answer is what I said it was, quit mis-stating my position.

    I said quite clearly that if the process appears unjust I will have no respect for the outcome. I think you'll find that the majority of Americans agree with me.

    The folks trying to cheat their way to another victory might find themselves disappointed, this time.
     
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