Wisconsin Supreme Court Strikes Down Stay At Home Order

Not according to the Wi SC ruling. Schools must remain closed.
The ruling is BS. All or none. Or political in this case. Kinda my point with bringing this up.

A get back on Evers admin, IMO.

The ruling immediately lifts all restrictions on businesses and gatherings imposed by the administration's order but keeps in place the closure of schools until fall. It comes after Evers had already begun lifting some restrictions because the spread of the virus has slowed for now.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news...own-tony-evers-coronavirus-orders/5179205002/

 

The court overruled the request of Republican legislators as well to delay the date until they could work a plan with Evers. So, the only other place to go if a state supreme court is up to a federal court, but it's doubtful that anything will go beyond this decision.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news...d-coronavirus-safer-at-home-evers/5187903002/

"Republican lawmakers who brought the lawsuit asked the court to put any ruling on hold until they could work out a plan with Evers, but the justices declined to do that and the Evers administration had not worked on a new plan before now. That means their ruling went into effect as soon as it was issued."

Has all of Wisconsin reopened?
No. Local officials can put their own limits in place, and rules could vary significantly from one community to the next.

 

Yes.
But the courts decided to not lift the entire ban.
Leaving kids and parents in a tough situation to learn.
Now parents will have to go back to work and their kids will have to stay home.

Who's gong to watch the kids? Who is going to help them social distance learn?

If it's safe to open, it's safe to open. NO restrictions from the gov't.
Else it's an unsafe political ploy. IMO.

I live in a fairly remote area. No new cases have been reported within a 100 miles radius for 1 month.
I was for reopening parts of my state.
But the ruling should have opened up schools to the local districts, just like they did for businiesses.

Now many parents will be in a tough spot forced to go back to work and leave their kids home without supervision and still needing to remote distance school day.

 

Yep. Many parents were in a bind when everything closed. Now they'll be in a bind with things reopening. Some won't be able to go back to work until schools are open. It was about to be summer vacation anyway....what did those parents do while kids were out of school normally?

I think Texas is planning to open schools earlier in late summer in case they need to close in the middle of the year during cold/flu season if the virus spikes. They're also buying computers for all the kids and talking about making home distance learning permanent for most classes.

 

It doesn't have to be, it's however the governors see fit for their state.

 

For openers, I seriously doubt that the governor--any governor--has the legitimate authority to issue a stay-at-home order. So I would never follow it.

Moreover, it seems rather trite to declare that human life is "invaluable," or "precious beyond all measure." (If we really believed that, then we would never go to war; but would simply disarm, and allow ourselves to become subject to the will of others.)

In the end, we really should consider the possible transmission of the disease--and the additional deaths that this could cause--but we should also consider (1) the economic impact of a total lockdown (many of these businesses will never re-open; and even those that do may see a significantly diminished number of customers for a very long time); (2) the considerable spike in spousal abuse as a result of this; (3) the inability of many to pay the rent or mortgage--or to pay the monthly bills--or even to put food on the table; (4) the inability of many children from poor families to receive a decent lunch; and (5) the spike in suicides.

These should all be weighed and balanced; none should simply be shoved aside.

 

Then tell that to the poster I responded to.

That's why I was asking him. Who wrongly thought the poster he was responding to thought a National Strategy meant a 1 size fits all solution.
It doesn't mean that. And it shouldn't.
But an overall staging needs to happen at the top. With guidance, as the fed gov't has all the professional resources, and has the money to help implement plans.

 

No, what you and the other poster have been doing for the last two pages is trying somehow to make things Trump's fault. And no matter how many times you've been corrected on who's in charge of those things, you just won't stop trying to find a way, no matter how many twists and lies need to be told to do so. Do you really think no one else noticed?

 

The cities and states are supposed to fund their plans. City taxes, fees on city-owned utilities, gasoline/alcohol/tobacco taxes, property taxes, school taxes are supposed to be budgeted properly by the mayors and governors so that they don't need to ask the federal government for help. Obviously in this pandemic, or in the case of a mass flood, hurricane or other unavoidable disaster, the federal government should, can and does step in to help. States with poor mayors and incompetent governors who need the most assistance get the most benefit.

All the guidance, resources, and money should come from the bottom up, not the top down, but that is a libertarian view which holds that states' power and sovereignty must be maintained. Becoming dependent on federal bailouts destroys that ability for states to control and manage their own affairs in a way they best see fit. Dependency of government stinks in general.

 

Just what the world needs, another day brightener.
You forgot this,
The school year has been called in many states so summer vacation is a week early and the parents with kids will do whatever they have done for years.
Daycare for young ones will be open.
If one or more of the parents was working from home, they can continue to do so.

If you really cared about all those parental problems, you should have posted how sorry you felt for all those jobs that will be permanently gone as a result of the Chinese virus and the decisions the governors made to lock down entire states including counties where there was not a hint of the Chinese virus to this day. Those kids may miss meals.

 

No. Pay attention.
That was my 1st post to that poster.

I asked, 1X, why does it have to be a 1 size fits all?

Everyone who can read will notice. Is your head so far up tRUMP that you read things that simply are NOT there?

 

Can't do that. This is a once in a century phenomenon.
You can't expect cities, counties, and states to have funds for this type of pandemic.

The problem in this country is everthing gets boiled down to Ds and Rs.
Dividing the country.

United we Stand. Divided We Fall.

Pick how we should proceed.
United. OR. Divided.

Do you really think a Pandemic gives a crap about political party?

 

Care to point out where that is part of the ruling? This isn't so many states, it's one state. Where it's ok for businesses to open, but it's not OK for schools to reopen. Let the districts decide, like the counties get to decide on businesses.

Why can't the school year be extended. Since so any kids lost near 1/4 of the school year? Go into the summer.

It's either safe to open all or it's not safe to open.

 

No, I don't think the virus picks a party. I'm an Independent/Libertarian.

And yes, when the government tells able-bodied people that they are not allowed to go to their job or open the door to their business, then the people harmed by the government should receive compensation.

So then, the government needs to reopen business so that we pay them to waste our tax dollars and so we can pay our own bills. The government can't keep paying people because they have zero dollars to hand out unless they stick their hands and take money out of workers' earned wages and profits.

 

United we stand, socially distanced we mistrust each other and fall?

 

The gov't is compensating those affected by the shutdown. More on the way.
Having zero $$$$ hasn't hurt us before. That's why no party cares about debts and deficits.

People are not allowed to harm other people.

This isn't our 1st pandemic. In 1918 parts of society shut down to stop the spread of the flu.
Then WW1 ended and people celebrated, the next wave of illness and death was huge compared to the 1st wave.
And parts of society had to shut down again.

We will recover economically. Always have, always will.

 

Why?
This isn't the 1st time in history we had to socially distance. See 1918.

 

Why?

Because a society in which citizen sees citizen as a threat, as a carrier of disease and death, is a society bound to fragment and end.

 

History. To gain some knowledge.

But that is your choice. Gather information or remain uninformed.

 

I see you haven't responded to post # 108.

 

Yes. This is a multivariate issue. Many people claim it is either/or. But we now know just who is most vulnerable and who has very little to fear. Right now we have federal guidelines with individual state plans. IOW we have 50 independent experiments going on who is exactly how the Founders planned it.

 

Now Oregon too HURRAH
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-tosses-coronavirus-restrictions-oregon-194252866.html

Judge rules that Oregon virus restrictions are invalid​

SALEM, Ore. (AP) — A judge in rural Oregon on Monday tossed out statewide coronavirus restrictions imposed by Democratic Gov. Kate Brown, saying she didn’t seek the Legislature's approval to extend the stay-at-home orders beyond a 28-day limit.

Baker County Circuit Judge Matthew Shirtcliff issued his opinion in response to a lawsuit filed earlier this month by 10 churches around Oregon that argued the state's social-distancing directives were unconstitutional. . . .

 

Now we need some judges with integrity to put the governors of NY, NJ, PA, and MI in their places.