With Trump sitting nearby, Macron calls nationalism a betrayal

Then, thankfully, I have not made a mistake, as the comment wasn't addressing what Macron said, was it? The post I responded to was lamenting about the unique position of Europeans and their poisonous history. Of course not asserted by Macron but the poster themselves.

 

An interesting approach. Think liberals can ever get over not wanting to be a part of that co equal tribe? I don't. It's not who they are.

 

Their poisonnous history make their opinion on nationalism quite pertinent. More than an isolated country who fought only twice, and with themselves, on their own territory.

 

What do you guys expect from someone that said that “French culture doesn’t exist in and of itself; there is no such thing as a single French culture. There is culture in France and it is diverse”
I guess the African immigrants brought forward Jeanne d'Arc, Voltaire, Claude Monet etc.

I watched the commemoration and cant understand how they placed the President of Serbia in the last rows, a country that lost 1/4th of its male population to battle the enemy and places Kosovar president in the front row. OMFG.

 

Proving what - That the French are smarter than Americans in general ?

 

Your post can be applied precisely the same way toward conservatives. My goal is to help both sides see beyond their immediate stances on issues and see the bigger picture, then allow themselves to become members of that bigger picture alongside those they previously opposed. Truth is, we all still have much more in common than issues which divide us. We must learn to recognize that & accept it.

Historically speaking, centuries ago, tribes competed for terrain, hunting grounds & settlement areas for their people. Conflict was a part of daily life. By the 1200's tribes had learned to unite with neighboring tribes to form the early nation states, which continued having conflicts with other nearby nation states. That has been our history thru today. Now we are into the Internet epoch, which is allowing individuals to interact with other individuals around the world irrespective of where they live or what nation state they live in. The Internet is a powerful force helping us to see ourselves as a part of global humanity rather than any single nation state. This new Internet induced globalism will force great change on us all. It already has. But that change will erode nationalism everywhere, and unite our species as one race--the human race. It will bring many new positives into our lives, along with many new challenges as well. Hopefully, by helping us see ourselves as members of the same global group, it will eventually reduce the conflicts we've had with each other for far too long.

 

Ah... hand holding unity. Clearly, you are missing the obvious component that will then always differentiate between the providers and the consumers and the power vacuum left by your naivety. But hey, you dig it. I will simply point out that your misunderstanding of the bias you then demonstrate here. The uniformity that you would then demand as folks you find aberrative would necessarily require modification to themselves, and their culture to find membership within your evolved society meme. I'd point you at just how successful the Eugenics movement was, and how catastrophically destructive it devolved into as a caution at how your brand of bias ultimately plays itself out.

 

I'm not talking or advocating eugenics here. I'm simply saying the things that divide humanity globally are 1. arbitrary & trite & not worth fighting over, and 2. distract us from the truth that we are all the same at the core, and fundamentally are all part of the same natural group called Homo Sapiens. Natural evolution is compelling us toward greater acceptance of each other. Eventually, evolution will win. But it is patient. It has all the time in the world, and knows it. Those individuals valuing nationalism or white skin over all others will fight to retard the evolutionary inertia toward globalism, but they will be unsuccessful in the end.

 

hahahahaha

You mad...

A word of advice. Don’t let him control you. Because the way you’re talking, does nothing but waste your time and offers nothing productive to the argument. Yours is the reason that’s number 1 wrong with democracy. Your kind exists on both sides of the isle. Literally insane conservatives and liberals.

It’s the crazy that make it past the primaries, fueled by the exact people that clearly you exemplify. It’s just that the other side won this time.

I dislike Trump. But it’s THAT argument of you, the good guy, standing clearly in opposition of the “one true evil” that is trump, that’s the problem with this country.

Here’s a hint. There is no good and evil. The only immorality being the indifference of reasonable, down-to-earth people.

 

No one said you were advocating Eugenics here. That doesn't change the fact that your brand of campaign is still similar to and will result in the same kinds of catastrophic results of Eugenics. If you believe that what divides us is arbitrary and trite, then how would anyone ever complain about the suffocating uniformity you would then create in your little tyranny? We are individuals. Ignoring that to impose your prescriptive view of utopia seems, well, not exactly well thought out.

And again, you only see things superficially through the frames folks have provided for you. Race, gender, blah blah blah. Evolution would suggest we have to, at some point, stop relying on those, right? Nationalism isn't about race, or gender, is it? Why limit yourself? Moreover, this globalism of which you speak doesn't invoke, or imply that free association, or individuality, or for that matter, personal rights or civil rights would be respected. Just superficial uniformity. That seems, well, frightening.

 

Still tho, that wouldn't justify his desire to drive the US military out the continent... Macron supposed to be a rational guy... he knows better than adding little bit of populism to his stance these days because 2019 will be very tough for him with a decisive Brexit and growing Russian aggression....
He'll need the US and NATO more than ever once Merkel left the office for good because he'll need quick leverages like strong military deterrence with perfect mobility against Tsars crazy moves, such as enforcing serious actions like coming down thru Poland-Balkans corridor whether by sending Wagners little green dudes or implement some softpower unless decided to surprise with a novichok team...
Nobody likes Trump but we're going to have to deal with some more of populist rhetorics as it is essential to new demographical designs that would be the real driving force of the new international order once it got set... I understand Macron has to get his fair share of the populist rhetorics to calm the Le Pens base as much as he can....

 

President Obama and probably President Clinton were the only two American Presidents who were not American nationalist.

Macron sounds like another internationalist socialist.

 

I never mentioned anything about uniformity. Personally, I enjoy diversity. When I imagine globalism, I imagine all the currently existing diversity continuing, but with the difference that everyone enjoys it as much as I do, instead of finding fault with it and fighting over it. Nationalism is a form of arbitrary superiority based on geographical borders that are themselves arbitrary. Nationalism can be based on race--as was displayed by Japan and/or Germany prior to & during World War II, but I've never seen it based on gender. In any case, it's a form of tribalism that humanity needs to discard and toss aside. Nationalism divides people from those inside & acceptable, from those outside, regarded as foreign, different or less than. Your assumptions that globalization will result in the Orwellian world you describe, are based on a majority of people continuing to think & act the same way they do now. I am suggesting that the increasing contact on an individual & personal basis between people of widely diverse locations & nationalities will automatically begin to change those old behaviors & open them up to each other as co-equals & part of the same humanity as themselves. That alone would be enough to make a better world.

 

Not superiority. Self interest instead. And want to explain how "patriotism" isn't based upon those same arbitrary borders?

 

Not naive, just realistic. It is Trump who is naive.

 

I think it is. The term "nationalism" has evolved over the decades to mean something more like patriotic zealot. It's more extreme than simple patriot. Language changes just like everything else.

 

No, I'm not mad...honestly, trump's surgically mangled bald spot is seriously grotesque looking. Inside and out, he's a vile individual.

 

Surgical disfigurement is a low blow, and that makes you a hypocrite. That was my point. Hatred of a person so much that you’re willing to resort to personal attacks of someone’s attempt to deal with balding isn’t much different than if you were making fun of him for having Down’s syndrome or anything like that.

He’s not a good person, is shortsighted and stirs up the worst in people. That’s also why he won. We’re in agreement on him being bad.

But not until crap like what you spewed is stopped, can we start having real discussions about real people. He was elected by people that had your exact line of thinking.

Be better than that.

 

I can accept extreme patriot.

 

I think the mention of the US in who a European Force would defend against was just to tweak Trump.

 

But she does have a point with the hair.

 

Something tells me that Sarah Sanders may have been involved with this video

Edit : maybe not. Just looked at the original video and it's genuine

 

Trump "in person"...?

 

lmfao...that clown trying to lie about his hair line is NOTHING like having freaking Down's syndrome. Give me a break.

His extreme vanity and narcissism is a large part of what makes him disgusting and vile....and publicly shaming and reviling such a disgusting, inhumane piece of filth is what everyone should be doing. Like I said, he's as gross on the outside as he is on the inside. And his gross bald spot, comb over and fake tan are a prime example of what a fake and a clown he is.

Spare me the fake outrage...there is nothing bad enough that I could EVER say about trump. I lack the vocabulary to really say what I think of him.

If you don't like my posts, don't read them.

 

Ugh...he's soooo gross. It looks like Dr Frankenstein pieced his head back together out of corpses.