Without God, life is meaningless

Are you aware of welfare reform, since the Clinton administration? It sounds like you have not gone past Ronald Reagan's "Welfare Queen" myth.

 

"People that have a deep religious belief are happier people, and they live longer. That is a fact, as proven by several studies,"

Facts say otherwise;

http://religionvirus.blogspot.com/2012/03/myth-busted-religious-people-are-not.html

Myth Busted: Religious People are Not Happier


Are religious people happier than atheists? It turns out that this statistic, while strictly true in America, is quite misleading. The deeper truth is far more interesting ... and it's a perfect case study in meme theory.

Tom Rees over at Epiphenom posted a fascinating new bit of data that just calls out for an explanation:​

"Much is made of the apparent fact that religious people are happier and better adjusted than the non-religious. However, as regular readers of this blog will know, this is to a large extent an illusion. ... [If you dig deeper] you'll find that religion is only linked to happiness in countries where a lot of people are religious.

... Although non-religious people feel uncomfortable in religious countries, religious people have no problems living in non-religious countries.​

In other words, religious societies reject and shun atheists, so naturally non-religious people are unhappy in these societies. But Dr. Rees makes an even deeper point: secular societies make religious people feel welcome, so there is no converse effect. In secular societies, everyone is equally happy.

The conclusion is inescapable: atheists and agnostics are unhappy in religious countries because of the religious people, whereas religious people do well in secular countries because they're made welcome. You can be an evangelical Christian in Sweden or Denmark, but it's hard to be an atheist in Turkey, Iran or even America.

It's very satisfying to deflate this myth. Religious bloggers and ministers love to crow about the fact that atheists and agnostics are unhappier than "the faithful." Now we can turn and point to them as the cause.​

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201302/do-religious-people-really-live-longer

In the U.S. some health researchers are fond of giving religion the credit for boosting life expectancy. Yet despite being a nation with a large religious majority, Americans have much lower life expectancy than is enjoyed by secular countries at a similar level of economic development such as Japan and Sweden. Evidently, the lower quality of life here both provides a market for religion and reduces life expectancy.
From that perspective, it seems bizarre that health researchers would be so keen to tout the alleged health advantages of religion (2). If religion really promoted longevity, how could people have such short life expectancy in sub-Saharan Africa where virtually everyone is deeply religious?​

 

There is zero evidence for a "creator" and omnipotence is a logical paradox.

 

And I explained to you the reasons. I don't even know what any of this has to do with the fact that something can't come from nothing.

If something can't come from nothing, then where did energy come from?

 

You see what you believe.

 

Im sorry I have rules I follow. You stated men need to perform experiments in a void, you then stated no void can ever exist therefore negating any scientific experiment that can ever take place, you then state when pressed by your own stance that no void could have existed if god always existed that god was not required to create in a void. You lost. If you want to continue you need to respond to those issues in a cogent manner. And don't say you explained it because ....YA DIDNT. If you say it again, I ignore you.

 

Meh, there are always those that don't like their own lives. My aunt's mother always said 'why bring kids into this world', which I replied, 'how will you change anything if you don't?'. She didn't like that but I have always been positive and greatly appreciate being alive in this time with this amount of wealth that most past humanity always dreamed of but thought impossible. We are a lucky lot to be alive now. It is too bad that politics and despots still make life miserable in many nations when it is not necessary but that would mean embracing what brought us here and that is capitalism which many of those naysayers is the problem with the world.

Religion brings peace to the soul which nothing else in this life can. Do not underestimate it's importance. Those that are unhappy and shun religion really do have nothing else. What was the determiner of who survived in he death camps during WWII in both theaters? Those that had family or religion. That's it.

 

Religion's make you feel for good life.

 

There is a song called "Heaven" by the talking heads that puts the afterlife in perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSqlQLTTKkc

It is one of my favorites. Especially the last stanza.

Enjoy

 

It is questions such as you have presented that has caused them to come up with secondary rationalizations such as the unproven multiverses and things that pop in and out of existence... But never any physical PROOF of such things.

 

Uh, no. I never said a void can never exist. You lost.

 

Just want to clarify here:

You said that something can not come from nothing. The void is nothing.

Your claim then is that something can not come from a void. (state of nothingness).

Then you go on to claim that God created something out of the void (Nothing)

Your two claims are in contradiction. Either something can come out of nothing or it can't.

 

I did not mean that God created something from literally nothing. My argument is that God created something when only He existed.

Can humans create or destroy energy? No. Thus, they will need a void to prove that something can come from nothing.

 

one does need God to have a happy and fulfilling life

 

See post 173. You said yes when asked in our universe there is no void. You said yes. Tell me where a void does exist so we can perform our scientific experiments there. As I said before you have created a clever little way to invalidate any science by holding humans to a variable that you stated even god did not create in. Here it is in a nutshell. You state god has always existed right? If so then there never has been a void because god would have always filled it. Ill await your next curly shuffle. Woob woob woob

 

And how does that possibly equate to saying that "a void can never exist?"

Why can't scientists create the void? Why does it have to presently "exist?" Does everything that we know of always exist?

And I repeat:

 

Facepalm...hilarious facepalm....as I chuckle...ill walk ya through it again...lets baby step
Has god always existed? Yes or no
Is god everywhere as the bible states? Yes or no?

 

Yes.

I'm not a Christian.

 

The Koran considers the Torah, Psalms, and the Gospel to be God's word.

 

But it also considers them to be corrupt.

 

Two points. First, his attitude takes away from the meaning of this, the real and apparently only life we have to live. Second, having no immortality to look forward to helps one to realise that every single day we have is highly meaningful and precious!

 

Apparently the biological imperatives that propel all life on this planet are meaningless without god.
The effort and output of civilization is meaningless without god.
The joy of life is meaningless without god.

Seems to me "meaning" is yet another construct of human sapience. It can be believed and applied in any number of configurations depending on one's perspective.

Naturally as an agnostic atheist, I believe "meaning" is derived from our own actions and attitudes, not from on high. But hey, that's just me.

 

The poor, dumb, sum(*)(*)(*)(*)(*). There are so many people enamored with the afterlife that they make the current lives suck. Religious fanatics. If there is a God, I'm SURE that is not his intention.

 

And this thinking has been used by every religion to con people into believing that if you worship something and give the worship leaders money, they can make it better next time round.
And you are still falling for this 3 thousand year old con trick

 

E=mc[SUP]2

Energy is a property of matter. [/SUP]